Any feedback concerning the fairness of online play??

[Jobo]

Honestly now?

I understand the argument of "more hands/hour = more bad beats/hour", but sometimes I'm totally baffled by the hand combinations I see at showdowns. Not just the hands I'm involved in either. It's bad enough that the chasers hit the river so often, turning garbage into gold with things like tiny offsuit (connected or not)... but... so MANY times I see a big pair beaten by a garbage 2-pair beaten by a small straight that got topped by the bigger straight who was just flushed by both a 27s and AXo. I mean really, do these kind of things happen in Brick & Mortar casinos? Monster hands getting out-Monstered? And on top of all that, after you've folded a few time PF, it starts to deal out Monster hands on the board for the garbage you're throwing away. As if to taunt you into playing! YAARG!

Sometimes I feel like the site is coded to seriously MESS with people, against odds, mathmatics, probabilities AND logic. Just in the hopes of... what? For what, really? They make plenty on the rakes, why would their coding be all fudged up??

This is just a rant, mind you, about the crazy inconsistencies I see too often in online play. So please forgive me for going Helmuth.

Would anyone else like to rant with me? Or perhaps give me some validation? Do these things truely happen WAY TOO MUCH in online play? Is the programming suspect?

Speak up ladies and fellas! Now's the time to give voice to your angsts (<-- is that a word?) or shoot my conspiracy theory down with cold hard facts!

And speaking of cold hard facts: is there any truth to the notion that people can hack everyone's hole cards?? I may need to reconsider my online play and look into a B&M establisment...

[lucky_mf]

I have total confidence in the integrity of sites I have had money on (FT, Absolute, Stars, Party, UB, and Vegas Poker 24/7) with respect to the handling of my funds and the fairness of the deal.

Lucky

[hed zup]

rigged.

[evagaba]

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I mean really, do these kind of things happen in Brick & Mortar casinos?


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Yes, just not as often cause online = more hands so you see it more often. One hand that comes to mind was at Seneca's 2/5 game, I got AI w K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] pre-flop for around $180 and was called and beat by J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] because "I had a feeling", he said to me. I even remember the suits.

[latvian7]

Most river suckouts iv seen on Pokerstars, other then that every other site seems fine.

[Terremoto]

More hands/hour means you will see more crazy plays, and especially in the micro's, more players seeing the river means more suckouts. I think these hands stick in our minds too, and forget all the bazillions of hands that are not played out to the river, or are won by the favorite. Even AA vs. 88, the 88's will win around 20% of the time.

A while back ago, I heard about a site that had a random card generator that was exploited, but that's not an issue now. This topic has been discussed lots of times, and if you think about it, the sites would be shooting themselves in the foot by rigging the game for any player, for any reason. If players caught on, the site would turn into a ghost town and all their revenues from rake would disappear. It's in their best interest to make the games as fair as possible.

[steeveg01]

hi jobbo, i looked into the sort of points you are making about 18 months ago , i posted the same sort of message you have, i tried to point out that yes players will play rubbish hands and they will suck out, the point i was trying to make is,if say you have trips against 2 pair with the river to come, the mathmatics say its 11/1 min for 2 pair to make his full house on the river, i wrote this after my trips had been beaten 3 times 1 after another,i can understand flushes and openended straights hitting, but people hitting 11/1 shots reguarly means something has to be wrong, i have never thought online poker rooms are rigged, its not in there interest, why should they rig the sites they dont care who wins, i just think these sort of long shots happen a lot more than they should, afew years back i read an artical about poker hands being random but individual cards not being random,in short it ment there where hundreds of thousands of different poker hands being delt , a few people cracked this and could tell who had what hole cards and what the next cards would be on the flop,i have been assured this fault in the software does not happen anymore,but that makes me think ok,is something else wrong, as i say i dont think its rigged or corrupt, but there may be some flaw in the software as the mathmatics dont add up, yes players will suckout more often when they hit the 11/1 or 22/1 shots, but the mathmatics say they shouldnt do it on average more than 11 or 22 times,
how many times as every player been hit by theese sort of draws 1 after an other

[pzhon]

People complain about every single site, including those that use physical sources for random numbers and are certified to pass independent objective tests of randomness. People will complain about perfectly random cards. It is well-known that people are poor judges of randomness.

One of the nice things about 2+2 is that ignorant conspiracy theories, bad beat stories, etc. are in the minority. Here, you can find real discussion of poker strategy by players with winning records, not just boasts and excuses by poor players with inflated egos.

[uDevil]

I try to keep a balance in my mind between the unlikely suckouts and the insane call-downs I see. People call me down with J-high! I assume they're just curious to see if I'm bluffing, but J-high? When I see that, I feel good about the the overall fairness of existence.

[doctorjae]

in psychology we call it confirmation bias (and it holds true in every facet of life, not just poker)...it means (basically) we remember the bad beats and forget the other hands...in general, when some ding-dong crushes our red aces w/ a 27 hearts flopped flush we remember that one a lot longer and more vividly than when our 6 8o rivers a straight against that set of J's...it's painful, and just to give u some validation, i have wondered on many occassions about the efficacy of the cards online, but i'm quite positive that because of all the consistent winning players out there, that these sites are not RIGGED...