I know I'm beat... I call?!?

[iMsoLucky0]

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Plus, it's always good to feel "right" even if you lose, "I knew I was beat!"

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This is exactly the problem! How do we learn to trust ourself enough to fold when we 'know we are beat'?

[bugstud]

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Plus, it's always good to feel "right" even if you lose, "I knew I was beat!"

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This is exactly the problem! How do we learn to trust ourself enough to fold when we 'know we are beat'? [/quote

you can't make a sick read if you don't call to make sure it was right obv.]

[WarDekar]

At a risk of de-railing the thread: Go Rashard!

[registrar]

If you play volume online, keep a log of these situations over a week or so and then review it.

The issue is how many of the times our 'gut' is actually correct, rather than just memorably correct.

The Nguyen hand is a little different. If he's good, then we are never ahead here because a T is such a large part of our range and nothing else should play like we have and call a river raise. It's not really about instinct, unless we feel that there is something in our demeanour as we bet that has persuaded Nguyen to make a move.

[WarDekar]

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If you play volume online, keep a log of these situations over a week or so and then review it.

The issue is how many of the times our 'gut' is actually correct, rather than just memorably correct.

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This was basically my point, I mean... Yeah I think I'm beat a ton of times and end up calling anyway, and it's always to varying degrees.

The thing is, most the time we're getting very good pot odds to call, don't need to win that often anyway, and if you actually looked at all these spots I'm not really sure how it would end up working out. It may be -EV, but I don't think it's nearly as -EV as you think, other than the OBVIOUS "I HAVE TO [censored] FOLD THIS GOD DAMNIT"

[d2themfi]

To the Op, this is something that i struggle a lot with. Making calls on the river(or all in calls on earlier streets) that realistically have no shot of winning is def my biggest source of spew and generally happens when I am running bad or am pissed cause the exact card I said I was gonna c/f to hits, and then for some reason I call anyways.

Ive been thinking more about this, and how to combat it cause it has become a huge problem for me, and I think the best way is just to constantly remind myself to play my A game at all times, and that my goal as a poker player is to maximize my EV at all times, even if that means an EV of 0 by folding.

In hands like the scotty nguyen hand, it is probably right to fold that river (without taking into consideration how folding there would be exploitable) Yet I knw if somehow the same situation happened to me Id proly give it a "crying call" Anyways, Im glad that I can recognize that this is a huge huge leak for myself that I have developed, but changing it can definitely be very hard to do. But I think the key is to stay disciplined and realize that I cant control the cards that come or my opponents actions, all I can control is my response to the cards and my opponents

[d2themfi]

heh took me a while to find this, not even sure if this is allowed to post this link from hsnl, but this is basically what i was alluding to.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...part=1&vc=1

[MaverickUSC]

I actually think we could figure out the math on this. Make a note of every time we have that feeling, or for me "the voice" telling me to fold, what are our results? If we flag those hand histories I bet over a month or so we get at least an idea of how often we call in those crappy spots and are right.

I feel like we would see a number around 10% us being correct with average pot odds of 3.5-1. Seeing this in plain numbers would help me fold thats for sure.