Was Jesus plagiarized from the Egyptian god Horus?

[dknightx]

As the Egyptologist says: "This theory is not held by anyone in the actual field."

Another states:
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Gordon,
Better be careful !
>Horus was born of the virgin Isis on Dec. 25<
Horus was born from Isis, having been fathered post mortem by Osiris. I don’t think Isis is a “virgin” in Egyptian religion, in the manner that husbandless Asiatic goddesses such as Anat, Baal’s spouse and mother, were. I don’t remember reading that Horus was born on Dec. 25th and I’m sure this would have been highlighted if it had been the case ! It’s true that early representations in Egypt of Maria and Jesus are sometimes impossible to distinguish from Isis + Horus.
>He was a child teacher, and baptised at 30
He had twelve disciples
No idea where you got this from.
>He performed miracles and raised El-Azar from dead<
I assume this is an allusion to Lazarus. Horus was a god and all gods have supernatural powers and perform miracles. By El-Azar you must mean Osiris : this god was given back his fertility after he died, by Isis, so that he could father Horus. But in the ritual the eldest son who does the funerary cult of his father is called “Horus”, so that one could say that during the cult Horus “raises Osiris from the dead”. Astonishingly, Horus is thus shown watching the scene of his own fathering by the dead Osiris and Isis as a kite.
>He walked on water<
No idea where you got this from. Egyptian gods are shown navigating on the waters of Heaven, and Horus as a hunter in the marshes.
>He was transfigured on the Mount<
The ascension towards “Heaven” on a podium with steps was an important phase of Egyptian rituals, and indeed represented becoming a (celestial) deity. This was probably also the case in the Levant, where gods dwelled on top of mountains or where artificial mounds were built associated with temples. Whether there’s a parallel with the crucifixion on Golgotha, I don’t know, but it’s true that Christian religion has taken some symbols from pagan Levantine religions, so it’s possible.
>He was crucified and resurrected<
Maybe Attis and Adonis were, but I don’t think that Osiris was crucified. He was in a way resurrected though, as with so many seasonal deities in the Near East. IMHO the origin of the Christian resurrection idea must be sought in Phoenicia rather than in Egypt.
>He was the Good Shepherd<
AFAIK this was Osiris, as Andjti, not Horus.
He was the fisher, lamb, lion (Ichthys)
Horus is often represented on a boat, spearing a hippopotamus, a crocodile or a turtle, all representations of his antagonist deity Seth. Horus as a lamb doesn’t ring a bell, but the Ram / Goat of Mendes (Ba-neb-Djedet) was a form of Osiris. There are representations of Horus and Seth as lions. Osiris may have been assimilated with a fish deity, but linking this with the Christian ichthus (Iêsous Christos Theou Uios Sôtêr, “Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Savior”) is a bold leap !
>He was "Iusa" son of "Ptah", the father<
Iusaas was a goddess, a personification linked with the masturbation thanks to which the Creator god Atum managed to father the first couple of deities, although he was alone. The name is hard to translate but could mean something like “As soon as she existed, she was already great”. The son of Ptah (“the Fashioner” rather than “the Father” ?) wasn’t Horus really, but Nefertum, a nice-smelling regenerated god represented by a flower.
JD


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I do not know the religious affiliation of these two people, but i'm guessing JD is probably atheist?

[dknightx]

Also from your link:
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Reactions of Egyptologists:

Ward Gasque, a volunteer book reviewer for Amazon.com surveyed twenty contemporary Egyptologists. He asked them about the origins of Jesus' name, the relationship between Horus and Jesus, whether both experienced a virgin birth, and whether the Egyptian religion considered Hourus to be an incarnation of God.

Ten responded, They agreed:
bullet Jesus' name is a Greek form of a very common Semitic name Jeshu'a, which is normally translated into English as Joshua.
bullet There is no evidence that Horus was born of a virgin, that he had twelve disciples, or that he was considered incarnation of God.


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[vhawk01]

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Im not sure how long Horus was worshipped for, but the concept of him was thousands of years before Christ was ever heard of I believe.

I really want a Christian to come into this thread, look at the evidence, and give a logical explanation why they still believe in Christianity..

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My point was just that txag makes it seem like the relative popularity and 2k/year halflife of the Jesus idea is evidence of how superior it is as a construction. While I personally think the meme of Christianity IS extremely well-crafted and fit, I think txag's specific evidence is underwhelming. Probably, during Horus' heyday, everyone who had heard of him worshipped him (or at least believed in him) and this probably went on for a very long time, probably as long as the current Christ-worship. However, this is definitely not my area of expertise, so I may be wrong...thats why I asked.

[kurto]

Txag's arguments always ignore that Islam has similar numeric appeal.

His arguments only support Christianity. He doesn't bat an eye that other religions can make similar claims.

[Brenner Hayes]

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I really want a Christian to come into this thread, look at the evidence, and give a logical explanation why they still believe in Christianity..

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[dknightx]

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I really want a Christian to come into this thread, look at the evidence, and give a logical explanation why they still believe in Christianity..

[/ QUOTE ] Don't hold your breath. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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youre right, holding your breath for a whole 51 minutes can be a dangerous thing.

[Cumulonimbus]

Horus isn't the only myth that the Jesus story was ripped off from.

The God Who Wasn't There (3 of 3)

[kurto]

The best part of that is the last Christian in that clip...

Interviewer- "Have you heard of Osiris, Dionysis or Mithra?"
Christian Guy- ".... (not really) but I heard about... its been on the news a couple times."

Makes you wonder what newscast he's watching? "Today in the News, Persian God Mithra visited a local Children's Hospital."

[Skidoo]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

[JayTee]

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Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

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Wrong. Something can only be plagiarized after it is written (as far as I know). The similarities definitely support a discussion of the matter. While you are correct that the similarities prove nothing, your little one-liner doesn't work here.