plo/8 starting hands

[MegaDisgruntled]

"I don't usually play the K K (and two low cards) or Q Q (and two low cards) outside of the blinds"

A234 or KK23, which hand would you rather have if heads up in NL08? It's crazy but the KK23 IS the better hand. Math driven is right, most people don't have a clue as to what hands are good or not.

[quirkasaurus]

i've seen great success at the tables by people
and ( sometimes myself ) calling with bunched
middle cards or better to EP/MP potters. ( sometimes
even to all-ins, but these players tend to be UP
and DOWN quite dramatically. )

i'm talking about hands such as four of 6-J rainbow.

The thinking is: I know what the other guy has;
he has AA23 or something thereabouts. And when the
low doesn't hit, BAM, another pot bet and the original
raiser should relinquish his hand. Not only that, but
chances are, if the low missed, I certainly got a chunk
of that flop, especially if it's something abyssmal as Q92r.

comments?

[bbartlog]

Calling with middle cards like this is only going to work if you can also cause your opponent to fold or call incorrectly some of the time as well. If you are relying only on being able to take down those flops where you really did hit the flop better than opponent, then the math is against you.
Also, if I recognize that I'm up against someone who will try to take advantage of my narrow preflop raising range by stealing on raggedy middle flops, I'll start raising preflop with some of the stronger middle wrap type hands.

[niss]

In my opinion, calling pre-flop raises with certain middle card hands is absolutely a correct play if you are confident that the pre-flop raiser will play his hand poorly post-flop if you hit and his stack is deep enough. Two of the bigger pots I've won over the last few weeks were by calling pre-flop raises with 9-10-J-Q and 9-10-J-J.

[davebreal]

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In my opinion, calling pre-flop raises with certain middle card hands is absolutely a correct play if you are confident that the pre-flop raiser will play his hand poorly post-flop if you hit and his stack is deep enough. Two of the bigger pots I've won over the last few weeks were by calling pre-flop raises with 9-10-J-Q and 9-10-J-J.

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phone # for coaching purposes?

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In my opinion, calling pre-flop raises with certain middle card hands is absolutely a correct play if you are confident that the pre-flop raiser will play his hand poorly post-flop if you hit and his stack is deep enough. Two of the bigger pots I've won over the last few weeks were by calling pre-flop raises with 9-10-J-Q and 9-10-J-J.

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phone # for coaching purposes?

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[niss]

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In my opinion, calling pre-flop raises with certain middle card hands is absolutely a correct play if you are confident that the pre-flop raiser will play his hand poorly post-flop if you hit and his stack is deep enough. Two of the bigger pots I've won over the last few weeks were by calling pre-flop raises with 9-10-J-Q and 9-10-J-J.

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phone # for coaching purposes?

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