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Old 10-12-2006, 05:13 PM
shimoda shimoda is offline
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Default Correct play for 2 overcards

Maybe this is a FAQ, if so feel free to flame me.
I'm really struggling with this concept. Let's say you have AKo in CO and raise preflop and get maybe 3 callers, flop is all rags.
What is correct play. Raising? Checking? C/R?
I have tried various approaches and seem to loose money on all of them.
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Old 10-12-2006, 05:15 PM
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Also, you haven't provided enough information. What's your postion, what type of player are you up against. There are no set plays.
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Old 10-12-2006, 05:22 PM
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Yes I suppose you are right. Sigh!
Basically as I play on the nano-tables most players are loose. FP% 35-60. You can almost never force anyone to fold with a bet so basically you are betting for value with 6 outs.
But is that a sane approach?
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Old 10-12-2006, 05:27 PM
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Betting for value with Ace high against multiple opponents? How likely is it that everyone missed the flop and your Ace high is still good?
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Old 10-12-2006, 05:37 PM
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Default Re: Correct play for 2 overcards

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Old 10-12-2006, 05:44 PM
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Betting for value with Ace high against multiple opponents? How likely is it that everyone missed the flop and your Ace high is still good?

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Exactly! I read a few of the posts you linked to and I agree that if you are in late position and get bet in to, you should raise. But if you are first to act with two overcards...ahh that is something else.
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Old 10-12-2006, 05:53 PM
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On a table with loose passive players you make more money not bluffing than bluffing. For sake of argument raising a ragged board with A high is bluffing. If you miss the flop and your c-bet is called by a bunch of people stop putting money in the pot UI. If there a lot of people in you may not even want to c-bet and c/c or c/f the turn depending. C/R with air or betting overcards into calling stations is a huge leak. Learn to fold A high.
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Old 10-12-2006, 05:57 PM
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On a table with loose passive players you make more money not bluffing than bluffing. For sake of argument raising a ragged board with A high is bluffing. If you miss the flop and your c-bet is called by a bunch of people stop putting money in the pot UI. If there a lot of people in you may not even want to c-bet and c/c or c/f the turn depending. C/R with air or betting overcards into calling stations is a huge leak. Learn to fold A high.

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Do you agree with the advice to raise a bet if you are last to act or do you consider that also a leak?
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Old 10-12-2006, 06:01 PM
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On a table with loose passive players you make more money not bluffing than bluffing. For sake of argument raising a ragged board with A high is bluffing. If you miss the flop and your c-bet is called by a bunch of people stop putting money in the pot UI. If there a lot of people in you may not even want to c-bet and c/c or c/f the turn depending. C/R with air or betting overcards into calling stations is a huge leak. Learn to fold A high.

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Do you agree with the advice to raise a bet if you are last to act or do you consider that also a leak?

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I used to raise donk bets on ragged flops but stopped when I ended up folding too many of those hands to donk bets on the turn. Unless you have reads that someone will fold to flop aggression raising with A high on a flop that you've been donked into doesn't make much sense. Call and fold the turn UI.
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Old 10-12-2006, 06:04 PM
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OK. Thanks for advice. I'll try to study a bit more and reread SSHE and the forums. It is 01:03 here now so "Good Night Ladies...."
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