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#1
11-28-2007, 10:02 PM
 pokerdoug1973 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 23
management argue

Simple stupid argument. I have over 10 years as a poker floor/manager. I am an assistant mgr in a room and during a dealer meeting my boss and I disagreed with a situation that was questioned. I could be wrong, he could be wrong. Please let me know what those of you with experience in the business think. I think this is really simple and silly....No Limit tournament. Blinds are 100-200. UTG raises to 800, a raise of 600 units. next player goes all in for 900, one hundred more. The next player wants to raise the minimum. WHAT IS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT THE PLAYER CAN RAISE? 1.) raise to 1400? 2.) raise to 1500?
#2
11-28-2007, 10:19 PM
 MrFizzbin Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mostly Harmless..... Posts: 699
Re: management argue

amount of the last raise is 600, 800 is the total 600+800=1400. If you say the amount of the bet must be doubled then it would be 1600, but 1500 is clearly wrong.
#3
11-28-2007, 11:17 PM
 Photoc Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: center of my own universe Posts: 7,368
Re: management argue

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WHAT IS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT THE PLAYER CAN RAISE? 1.) raise to 1400? 2.) raise to 1500?

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On a side note, players min raising or even worrying what a min raise is after a bet/raise/mini all in, would raise a flag about collusion to me.
#4
11-28-2007, 11:30 PM
 zepthiir Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15
Re: management argue

an all in for 100 more than a 600 raise does not qualify as a raise, only as a call as far as betting action goes so the minimum the next player can raise should be 1400.
#5
11-28-2007, 11:37 PM
 RR Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: on-line Posts: 5,113
Re: management argue

This came up a couple of years ago. There were a lot of very experienced people on both sides of this. I have always ruled 600 more from the current bet (making it 1500), but there are a number of people whose opinion I value on this that tell me it should be 600 than the previous raise. I think they are wrong as completing the bet is strictly a limit concept.
#6
11-29-2007, 01:38 AM
 youtalkfunny Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Exiled from OOT Posts: 6,767
Re: management argue

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completing the bet is strictly a limit concept.

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There you go again, making distinctions between limit and no-limit rules.

Poker has been homogenized. Get with the times.
#7
11-29-2007, 02:23 AM
 RR Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: on-line Posts: 5,113
Re: management argue

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completing the bet is strictly a limit concept.

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There you go again, making distinctions between limit and no-limit rules.

Poker has been homogenized. Get with the times.

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Doing some training in about Feb I had a dealer basically tell me that (in a serious manner) when I was explaining what is and isn't a string bet. he said something to the effect that I was being dumb that it either is or isn't a string bet.
#8
11-29-2007, 02:29 AM
 fatshark Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 102
Re: management argue

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an all in for 100 more than a 600 raise does not qualify as a raise, only as a call as far as betting action goes so the minimum the next player can raise should be 1400.

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I agree with this. The min. raise would come to a total of 1400. 200 blind, raise 600 more to 800. Min raise would be 600+600+200.
#9
11-29-2007, 03:31 AM
 pokerdoug1973 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 23
Re: management argue

Thank you for your responses. It is my belief, that the players raise all in for 100 more is action only and does not count as a bet or a raise, so the minimum raise of 600 units still applies. 1400 was my answer.
#10
11-29-2007, 03:39 AM
 JohnnyGroomsTD Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 141
Re: management argue

I say 1500. Although the 100 does not count as a "raise", any raise must be at least the size of the previous raise. Would the situation be different if the player went all in for 1075? It changes the dynamics of the hand.

Bob Ciaffone actually wrote an article about this, as well as the aggregate total of sevreal all ins that eventually go over the full bet threshhold(which he felt reopened the betting). Wow was that a bunch of unclear crap.

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