Party 200NL Meh, top two pair.

[Sciolist]

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46? I don't get that math, I have to match those 23 extra. That is not dead money

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But you have to put the $23 in too. So your equity has to be > 23:96

[Nick Royale]

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46? I don't get that math, I have to match those 23 extra. That is not dead money

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But you have to put the $23 in too. So your odds has to be > 23:96

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If the call would put you all in that would be true. Assuming he's never on a bluff and he'll call a push with all hands he's raising for value we need 41% eq vs his range.

[Melchiades]

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Assuming he's never on a bluff and he'll call a push with all hands he's raising for value we need 41% eq vs his range.

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Ok. Guess it is a pretty standard push and flip for stacks scenario then.

[sh58]

with your read, i'd rather just call the flop and see what happens

[Nick Royale]

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with your read, i'd rather just call the flop and see what happens

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I think this is better ip. And there's 11 cards we don't want to see on the turn, putting us into guessing mode.

[sh58]

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with your read, i'd rather just call the flop and see what happens

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I think this is better ip. And there's 11 cards we don't want to see on the turn, putting us into guessing mode.

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exactly, if we beat him he is not going to go nuts when a nasty turn hits. we can easily fold if a scare hits and he comes out firing. if a blank hits our equity improves alot against his range.

i think pushing the flop is ok too, but with the read that he just calls down with 2pairs, calling is better here

[Nick Royale]

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with your read, i'd rather just call the flop and see what happens

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I think this is better ip. And there's 11 cards we don't want to see on the turn, putting us into guessing mode.

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exactly, if we beat him he is not going to go nuts when a nasty turn hits. we can easily fold if a scare hits and he comes out firing. if a blank hits our equity improves alot against his range.

i think pushing the flop is ok too, but with the read that he just calls down with 2pairs, calling is better here

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In some way I don't understand you turned my arguments against me [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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if a blank hits our equity improves alot against his range.

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This is not true because his range consists of none strong draws at all. Also villain seems to weird for me to want to get into a guessing game on the turn. Being oop on the turn sucks.

[KeanuReaver]

i guess shove but i wouldn't be very happy about it at all.
i hate a call CR line against a player this passive

[sh58]

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with your read, i'd rather just call the flop and see what happens

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I think this is better ip. And there's 11 cards we don't want to see on the turn, putting us into guessing mode.

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exactly, if we beat him he is not going to go nuts when a nasty turn hits. we can easily fold if a scare hits and he comes out firing. if a blank hits our equity improves alot against his range.

i think pushing the flop is ok too, but with the read that he just calls down with 2pairs, calling is better here

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In some way I don't understand you turned my arguments against me [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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if a blank hits our equity improves alot against his range.

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This is not true because his range consists of none strong draws at all. Also villain seems to weird for me to want to get into a guessing game on the turn. Being oop on the turn sucks.

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i agree there are no draws really, so that last point didn't really apply here. what i mean in the first instance is if you call the flop, and a king, jack or ten roll off and he fires out strong he is not gonna really do it with a hand we beat so we can safely fold. given the read he probably has a pretty good hand and will be unlikely to turn one into a bluff

[drexah]

shove