Party 200NL Lost on the turn, deep.

[Melchiades]

Original raiser is 40/20 aggro donk. Villain is TAG. Wtf do we put him on here? Would he not bet the flop with monsters this deep? Is he blocking turn with an overpair? Why the tiny reraise preflop? Completely lost here.

Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $289.44
Hero (BTN): $486.20
SB: $291.10
BB: $402.70
UTG: $246.30

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $4</font>, Hero calls $4, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $15</font>, CO calls $11, Hero calls $11

Flop: ($46) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $38</font>, BB calls $38, CO folds

Turn: ($122) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $77</font>, Hero?

[AshleyC]

BB has AJ.

Overpairs lead / CR flop.

[Up-grey-de]

tough hand. but Ive seen thinking players lately who have done some very weird plays with their overpairs that has induced bluffs from me.
One hand that i think he could do this with if he is a thinking player is JJ, quads.
Think about it, he knows that you do not have a J,and when you bet the flop he could put you on either a draw or a pocket. He knows that you might get scared that he has a J and check, and instead he makes a decent bet that he figures a pocket or flush draw would call, or maybe induce a bluff.
I know this is a longshot, but it would be a pretty smart line from his side.
As played, I would either raise or fold. If you do not put him on a J and decide to raise, dont push cuz he is going to ask himself, why does he push here with a J? He would just make a decent size raise with a J here he is going to say to himself. I would make it 130 or so.
But this really looks like a pocket.

[RUDIKULOUS]

Wow that literally makes no sense and i cant believe i read the entire thing

[Melchiades]

Bump. Not interesting at all or no one has any idea what villain has/what to do on the turn?

[cs3]

check flop. Tags dont 3bet PF and then c/f flop.

as played i think i nit up and fold the turn. he can hanve any overpair, AJ, JJ, even 55 and 99 are possible. i really dont think hes screwing around with air/draws here.

[Melchiades]

Disagree about the flop. It's 3-way with an idiot involved, he should check fold wiffed overs a good portion of the time. Also the blanket statement about TAGs not c/f'ing 3-bet pots is just wrong IMO.

I really don't see how he can play an overpair like this unless he is planning to bet/fold it. Dunno if that is enough to push the turn though. It's just such a strange line to take with anything but JJ/99 and that is just 2 combos. J+ really should bet the flop here 100% with 3 way action, one idiot and being deep with a non-idiot(I hope).

[nudz]

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check flop. Tags dont 3bet PF and then c/f flop.

as played i think i nit up and fold the turn. he can hanve any overpair, AJ, JJ, even 55 and 99 are possible. i really dont think hes screwing around with air/draws here.

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But tags dont c-bet into several people, so you could have won it on the flop.
Still a check is fine, and fold turn without reads, nothing you can do.

[cs3]

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Disagree about the flop. It's 3-way with an idiot involved, he should check fold wiffed overs a good portion of the time. Also the blanket statement about TAGs not c/f'ing 3-bet pots is just wrong IMO.


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i think you get called by either BB or donk, or ch/r by BB more often than you take it down. i would much rather bet this flop with complete air than your relatively strong draw.

and you're right, tags are not "never" c/f'ing flops after a 3bet, but i find that its true most of the time.
however, being three handed to the flop, you do make a good point