warmup fold ace hi flush??

djk123 · #1 10-21-2007, 01:05 PM

title edited for nits

no reads. bet pretty fast on river.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t25/t50
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t8725
UTG+1: t9925
djk123: t9875
MP2: t10050
MP3: t10350
CO: t13225
Button: t9875
SB: t8000
BB: t9975

Pre-flop: (9 players) djk123 is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t50 (pot was t75), djk123 calls t50 (pot was t125), 3 folds, Button calls t50 (pot was t175), SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t225, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets t150, djk123 raises to t500, 2 folds, UTG+1 raises to t1250, djk123 calls t750 (pot was t1975).

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t2725, 2 players)
UTG+1 bets t1400, djk123 calls t1400 (pot was t4125).

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t5525, 2 players)
UTG+1 is all-in t7225, djk123

shaundeeb · #2 10-21-2007, 01:08 PM

no don't fold

Todd Terry · #3 10-21-2007, 01:10 PM

I would not fold the nut flush here. Your hand, I would fold.

Unphased · #4 10-21-2007, 01:24 PM

So what type of hands is he limping behind a utg limper? 88 +77, KhTh, KhQh, QhTh, Qh9h, T9, 8h7h, ? I feel like JJ shouldnt be put in his range because he probably isn't limping behind here.

Against this range you have 46% equity. I wouldn't fold; I wouldn't be happy getting it in here, but without reads its hard to lay this down

djk123 · #5 10-21-2007, 01:25 PM

he openlimped. i wudnt exclude JJ

Hattifnatt · #6 10-21-2007, 01:27 PM

I can see a case made for folding sinse he 3-bet the flop and everything but I would call, dont be very happy about it and live with the result. after all, its early in a high entry-number tournament and ppl do weird stuff.

nutshot2 · #7 10-21-2007, 01:29 PM

You should probably call since you run like God

Ansky · #8 10-21-2007, 01:34 PM

I'd prob flat the flop in the hopes that lower hearts come along.

Todd Terry · #9 10-21-2007, 01:44 PM

When you raise and then call the 3bet on the flop, from Villain's perspective, I think your range is {flush draw, 87o}, unless he has 88 or 77, in which case your range is {flush draw}. Which makes your range on the turn {flush, boat} or just {flush}. Which means he's shoving on the river into what appears to be a monstrous hand.

I don't think he pushes T9 on the river after you call the turn. Flushes with a T and 9 in them {KT, K9, QT, Q9} are possible to 3bet on the flop, but I'd discount them because not everyone would do that. KQhh I'd discount a little more, 3betting on that board when you're that deep with it is a reckless play. Everyone would 3bet a set and T9 on the flop.

He could also have 87o. I don't think you're ahead enough of the time to call here.

KneeCo · #10 10-21-2007, 03:14 PM

Given the flop action, if it's a close it's marginally, I can't imagine we're good here much more than a third of the time at best.

The only thing we beat right now is a straight or a lower flush.

I can kind of see betting 1400 on the turn with the flopped nuts as a blocker type when the worst card in the deck peels off but the overbet on the river seems out of place and the EP limp is a PP at least as often if not more often than it's a connector.

As for the lower flush I don't see him 3betting the flop with a FD unless he has a FD + something. He can't have a FD + a pair given the turn card; though he can still have like KhTh, although again he shouldn't be so confident in it on the river, should he, as mentioned your range by this point should be practically {flush/boat} in his mind (and of course as long as we're on the subject of FD+ on the flop and see that he makes a smallish 3b, we can't discount Th9h).

I'm not saying he can't have a hand we beat, I'm just not entirely certain we're good here the 36% of the time we need to be and have to think that if we are, it wouldn't take much deeper effective stacks to make this a fold.