25NL a couple hands with draws

Semtex · #1 10-12-2007, 11:52 PM

Hands where I flop a draw, especially multiway, are my worst hands. I always seem to be going broke in these spots. Here are a couple hands from todays session.

In hand 1, villain on my right was a 40/10/.5 fish. Villain #2 was another loose fish, 60/20/1. I put villain 2 on the flush draw. Was not sure what villain number one could have, it could have been as bad as top pair no kicker with some kind of draw to go along with it. What should my plan for the hand be?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($17.80)
MP1 ($22.50)
MP2 ($58.25)
MP3 ($29.55)
CO ($24.65)
Button ($23.15)
SB ($106.95)
BB ($3.25)
Hero ($24.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1, UTG+1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, 5 folds.

Flop: ($3.35) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $3, UTG+1 raises to $6, MP2 calls $6, Hero ???.

Hand 2 villain was 55/15/2, but over a small sample. Should I have folded here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($3.95)
SB ($46.45)
BB ($74.95)
UTG ($15.65)
UTG+1 ($17.50)
Hero ($24.75)
MP2 ($35.50)
MP3 ($19.85)
CO ($23.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.5, 5 folds, BB calls $1.25, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $1.25.

Flop: ($4.85) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3, BB raises to $7.5, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $22.75, BB raises to $38, Hero calls $0.50 (All-In).

Turn: ($51.35) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($51.35) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $51.35

ranka · #2 10-12-2007, 11:58 PM

Playing draws are not my strongest side.

Hand 1.
Looks like one of the villains have ace. I would just call and take check-fold line unless the turn is Q or spade.

Hand 2.
I think this is fine.

xxrod17xx · #3 10-13-2007, 12:12 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Playing draws are not my strongest side.

Hand 1.
Looks like one of the villains have ace. I would just call and take check-fold line unless the turn is Q or spade.

Hand 2.
I think this is fine.

[/ QUOTE ]

I tend to play hand one passively and try and hit my draw/Q cheap. Prob leak, I am interested what some of the other players think.

2) I don't see much wrong with it I think you are ahead often enough here to consider this move +EV.

Chargers In 07 · #4 10-13-2007, 12:26 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Playing draws are not my strongest side.

Hand 1.
Looks like one of the villains have ace. I would just call and take check-fold line unless the turn is Q or spade.

Hand 2.
I think this is fine.

[/ QUOTE ]Agree with all of it.

bottomset · #5 10-13-2007, 12:36 AM

hand1, you aren't folding, so really the question is, is shoving +EV, with $18 in the middle, you almost certainly have an overlay on a shove

though I think you are up against an ace here a fair bit, and getting 5/1 immediate might make calling more +EV

second one is standard

[ QUOTE ]
I would just call and take check-fold line unless the turn is Q or spade.

[/ QUOTE ]

c/f a turn K sounds really really bad

ninjadanger · #6 10-13-2007, 03:32 AM

hand 1 I shove all day long. both of these guys are super loose. UTG1 has like $10 behind after his rr and if MP2 has a fd like you thought he had he is definitely coming along when you shove and UTG1 calls (because he obv is). you're about a coin flip against and ace and the way MP2 played it seems like a draw, which you have crushed. shove seems monstrously +EV. especially if you consider MP2's money as dead if he in fact has a fd.

hand 2 seems standard. way to hit the turn.

mr.bum · #7 10-13-2007, 09:12 AM

shove hand one...shove hand 2...not only r u getting a great price to shove hand one there is still fold equity and this will get u more action in the future when you are shoving sets on draw heavy boards.

ranka · #8 10-13-2007, 11:47 AM

LOL! I rethink and stoved hand 1 and yes, now I would shove too. I dont know why I thought that you are behind against aces, stoved it and now I know its a flip.

Thanks guys! These forums are pure gold!

AlexB182 · #9 10-13-2007, 01:16 PM

Shove hand 1, hand 2 is fine IMO.

Semtex · #10 10-26-2007, 03:38 PM

Here's another one. Villain was standard TAG. This is fine?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($44.15)
BB ($25.90)
UTG ($7)
UTG+1 ($5.05)
MP1 ($30.35)
MP2 ($24)
MP3 ($40.70)
CO ($19.95)
Hero ($24.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, MP3 calls $2.

Flop: ($6.35) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $4, MP3 raises to $8, Hero raises to $21.65, MP3 calls $13.65.

Turn: ($49.65) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($49.65) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $49.65