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Old 10-02-2007, 10:44 AM
CalledDownLight CalledDownLight is offline
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Default Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)

Villain is complete unknown. Please no "fold preflop" advice. If you think this is a clear fold then would you call with 9s8s? KsJs? If its a call then do you call with AK? Assuming we get to the river by checking the turn both times, which I wouldn't typically do with a flush.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($99)
MP3 ($118.80)
CO ($58.20)
Hero ($205.20)
SB ($162.50)
BB ($101.50)
UTG ($47.50)
UTG+1 ($181.15)
MP1 ($88.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $4.

Flop: ($11.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, MP1 calls $8.

Turn: ($27.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($27.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $75.15 (All-In)</font>, Hero ???
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Old 10-02-2007, 10:47 AM
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Default Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)

definitely a fold.

I think the bottom of my calling range would be the nut flush
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Old 10-02-2007, 10:48 AM
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Default Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)

I'd fold it.
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Old 10-02-2007, 10:52 AM
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Default Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)

Mike,

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If you think this is a clear fold then would you call with 9s8s? KsJs?

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I'm definitely calling with any FH I ever make here as I suppose all others would too.
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Old 10-02-2007, 10:53 AM
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Default Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)

Pretty easy fold. Nut flush and probably 2nd nut flush I'm calling here.
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Old 10-02-2007, 10:54 AM
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Default Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)

Sucks, but readless I guess I fold.

You only beat a bluff really.

And also, his line is consistant with a passively played set turned into a FH.
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Old 10-02-2007, 11:07 AM
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Default Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)

use 20bb stack preflop ldo
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Old 10-02-2007, 11:08 AM
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Default Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)

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use 20bb stack preflop ldo

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I said no "fold preflop" advice please. Don't think I don't see what this statement implies.
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Old 10-02-2007, 11:14 AM
Mike Kelley Mike Kelley is offline
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Default Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)

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Mike,

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If you think this is a clear fold then would you call with 9s8s? KsJs?

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I'm definitely calling with any FH I ever make here as I suppose all others would too.

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Pretty much any FH. I don't think I would make the call with the nut flush. I read a post in the high stakes forum the other day about overbets from level 1 thinkers and they are usually for value. It was some where in the their best of thread if you want to peruse for it. I also posted a link to it in the landlord's theorem thread
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:17 PM
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Default Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)

*grunch*

He just rivered a boat and wants the flush to pay off. Probably eights full. Get out.

Now I read the thread.
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