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Old 08-21-2007, 08:18 PM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Default Re: 200NL River the flush on a paired board.

4h2h, 6h4h, 6h7h, 6h8h, 7h8h, 7h9h, 7hTh, 8h9h, 8hTh, 9hTh, dumb slowplayed AA, AK, KQ etc etc.
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Old 08-21-2007, 08:19 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River the flush on a paired board.

Hmmm, didn't see the overcall of the turn raise, thought he bet-called. But all those hands are still definitely in his range a decent amount of the time.
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Old 08-21-2007, 08:21 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River the flush on a paired board.

don't check the river
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Old 08-21-2007, 08:26 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River the flush on a paired board.

As played you definately have to call. What if we be river and get raised?
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Old 08-21-2007, 08:31 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River the flush on a paired board.

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4h2h, 6h4h, 6h7h, 6h8h, 7h8h, 7h9h, 7hTh, 8h9h, 8hTh, 9hTh, dumb slowplayed AA, AK, KQ etc etc.

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I dunno, you're probably right. Almost all of those hands are played pretty terribly if they show up, though. A 20/15 probably won't open quite a few of them, either. Slowplayed one pair hand does fit, but they don't bet the river (which supports a value bet). I think the river bet might have thrown me a bit, it bodes badly for our hand. Before we have acted on the river, though, we have reason to think we're ahead.
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Old 08-21-2007, 08:32 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River the flush on a paired board.

Nearly all of them are in a 20/15s button opening range imo.
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Old 08-21-2007, 08:33 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River the flush on a paired board.

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don't check the river

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Seriously, river is a b/f for sure.

edit: now call I guess?
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Old 08-21-2007, 08:41 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River the flush on a paired board.

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don't check the river

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Seriously, river is a b/f for sure.

edit: now call I guess?

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You can't bet then fold this river. There's ~$140 behind and the pot is $138. What are you going to do, bet $70 then fold the second best flush getting 5 to 1?
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Old 08-21-2007, 08:48 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River the flush on a paired board.

Peopple a lot of the time check their sets on the flop so you could be facing the boat or possibly the nut flush, but you are ahead of more hands than you are behind I believe. Results?
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Old 08-21-2007, 11:09 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River the flush on a paired board.

First. We can not bet fold this river, ever. For the reason PropMike stated.

Second of all, villain is a solid player I have never seen get out of line. My image is probably solid and nitty. Probably fairly predictable, but rarely out of line.

So how many of you guys would show up with all those small suited heart hands here as villain? Why are you assuming villain will play horrible, that was not my read.

The fact that he didn't push turn is kind of weird. But it's a much smaller mistake to just call with a set on the turn than overcalling with a small flushdraw.

He took his sweet time to consider his action on the turn, so he did not just tiltcall with a naked draw. Much more likely he wondered how he should play his KK/55. But it could obviously be that he calculated his odds with one of the flushdraw straightdraw combos. Basically he has got to put me on a big draw or a set here, I never play a one pair like that (leak or not).

Still think its a CALL WE HAVE A FLUSH?
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