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Old 08-06-2007, 03:46 PM
Zeldark Zeldark is offline
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Default Luck vs Skill (Or the lack thereof) Blind Steal fails.

This hand stuck out. I find myself out of position against an unknown. The blinds were very tight and I only had one problem, which stuck around. Bring on the tough love, I suspect my game is off.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB
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Old 08-06-2007, 03:51 PM
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Default Re: Luck vs Skill (Or the lack thereof) Blind Steal fails.

Fold preflop. Bet flop, bet turn, bet river, at least until he gives you an excuse not to.
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Old 08-06-2007, 03:57 PM
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Default Re: Luck vs Skill (Or the lack thereof) Blind Steal fails.

wow, 0/4 [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 08-06-2007, 04:03 PM
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Default Re: Luck vs Skill (Or the lack thereof) Blind Steal fails.

In the interest of getting better at poker, I'll take up that challenge. I don't know if I classify as a true noob, but whatever.

PF is a raise because there was a decent chance of getting the blinds since they were so tight. Surely the button won't cold-call with crap at .5/1. These stakes are high!

After that dry humor, on the flop we have top pair weak kicker on a coordinated board. There's still a bit of fold equity, and we likely have the best hand if he doesn't have a queen. There are some strong draw options and we can't effectively protect, but we can charge for them anyways.

On the turn I'm in a small pot with TPWK OOP. If he has a better Queen I don't want to be raised, and he'll likely bet the turn with a fairly wide range of hands.

The river is more weak still. The flush draw hasn't come in, but that completes straights if he has a jack and I'm beat by any Qz or 2 pair. The nature of the blind steal situation though theoretically widens both of our ranges. I feel that as played I should've folded, or was slowing down so soon an error?

Hopefully that should create a sense of not being biased [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 08-06-2007, 04:07 PM
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Default Re: Luck vs Skill (Or the lack thereof) Blind Steal fails.

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wow, 0/4 [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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No, he did bet the flop. 1/4.
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Old 08-06-2007, 04:13 PM
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Default Re: Luck vs Skill (Or the lack thereof) Blind Steal fails.

ah yes good point, and i mean pf is whatever, i'll give it .5 for the idea
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Old 08-06-2007, 04:21 PM
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Default Re: Luck vs Skill (Or the lack thereof) Blind Steal fails.

People usually don't post hands because they think they're 4/4 [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 08-06-2007, 04:29 PM
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Default Re: Luck vs Skill (Or the lack thereof) Blind Steal fails.

I disagree. Many of the vet's hand posts are posts in which they think they played perfectly and are trying to teach something to the forum.
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Old 08-06-2007, 04:37 PM
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Default Re: Luck vs Skill (Or the lack thereof) Blind Steal fails.

Hmm... ok. I'll give you that. I've done my share of Sanity Check LDO hands. The operative word was "usually." You're not going to critique my logic then?
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Old 08-06-2007, 04:49 PM
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Default Re: Luck vs Skill (Or the lack thereof) Blind Steal fails.

Button is a donk, right? The problem w/ your turn reasoning is that sure, he'll bet with a fairly wide range, but not nearly as wide as what he'll call with.
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