Value vs Protection (I went for Value!)

[Zeldark]

What do you think?

Do you play it differently? Unknowns.

LIMIT Hold'em Poker (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.75.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO (poster) calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (11.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (21.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 folds, CO calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 25.50 BB

[Gib]

um where bout's r u going to protect ur hand if u didn't play for value?

[tyler_cracker]

raise preflop. after that, i play the same.

i don't see a spot where you have a choice between value and protection.

[Zeldark]

Good points. I've had more thought provoative posts. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Fadook]

I like the river call. Going for overcalls is good, but more to the point, UTG+1 waking up on a card that would be a total brick if it didn't complete a BDFD is worrying.

[JJack]

*grunch*

I think u play very good cus if u are behind and u raise river then u knock out rest players and u win/lose 3BB.

When u just call then u have great chance that u will get at least CO call and possibly MP2 or even more at so big 5way river pot. Then when u call u loose probably 1BB and win about 3BB.

If my thinking is good here we can say "call for value" and "raise for value" dont have much sense.

[aK13]

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raise preflop. after that, i play the same.

i don't see a spot where you have a choice between value and protection.

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[Montrealcorp]

well i just dont see how u could play the hand postflop any different,well played.

but for me ,preflop is a fold....i would of call with ATs but not unsuited because of exactly what happaned,too much caller and a raise behind u,i would agrea to raise it up preflop from mid but from utg+1 not for me...too much unknow

[Christian_Peters]

Urrr. Don't know about the flop call.

Protection? From what? the flush - there is no protecting your hand from a flush in this game, just get some value out of them.

[tyler_cracker]

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Urrr. Don't know about the flop call.

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i understand that you're a nit and all, but 20:2 with 4 outs to the nuts and good relative position == straightforward call.