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Old 07-09-2007, 10:13 PM
Melchiades Melchiades is offline
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Default 200NL QQ in reraised pot. Sort of deep.

Villain is 25/18/2.6 over 500 hands. We have played about 100 hands at this table and stayed out of each others way. I think this is actually the first time I have 3-bet him at this table. So he basically has no reason to think I'm full of it.

Maybe I should have bet the turn. Bet/fold?

His large turnbet really confused me though. On one hand I really have no reason to think he is floating me, and I doubt he would bet JJ here. But why would he make such a huge turnbet, when a much smaller bet would still mean he could push river. Kind of seems like he is committing himself with a medium strength hand.

So what does he have? A set/AA/KK, or a 56s/78s kind of hand. Very confused.

Running so bad lately and probably playing pretty bad as well.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $412.65
BB: $25.95
UTG: $96.17
CO: $338.46
BTN: $276.48

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG calls $2.00, <font color="red">CO raises to $9.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $31.00</font>, 2 folds, CO calls $22.00

Flop: ($66) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $40.00</font>, CO calls $40.00

Turn: ($146) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $122.00</font>, Hero?
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Old 07-09-2007, 10:24 PM
Shizzle12345 Shizzle12345 is offline
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Default Re: 200NL QQ in reraised pot. Sort of deep.

If u call here, u basicly commit urself, so i think thats wrong, id never call but CRAI or fold.

The problem is that the board is really dry, he could easily have a set here.. the big turn bet is weird indeed as a smaller bet will commit alot of hands too, but im probably folding here, most of the time, unless i got a good read about his play post flop.
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Old 07-10-2007, 12:38 AM
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Default Re: 200NL QQ in reraised pot. Sort of deep.

Given how deep you are and that you are oop, I like your line, and I fold the turn. If he takes you off the best hand, congratulate him for only taking 15% of your stack.
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Old 07-10-2007, 01:17 AM
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Default Re: 200NL QQ in reraised pot. Sort of deep.

Agree. Good fold. What are you beating here? The odd turn bet could be just that -- an odd looking bet by AA, KK, or a set designed to make QQ call.
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Old 07-10-2007, 02:35 AM
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Default Re: 200NL QQ in reraised pot. Sort of deep.

This is usually KK-AA
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Old 07-10-2007, 02:37 AM
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Default Re: 200NL QQ in reraised pot. Sort of deep.

You are only beating 1010-JJ imo.
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Old 07-10-2007, 06:29 AM
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Default Re: 200NL QQ in reraised pot. Sort of deep.

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You are only beating 1010-JJ imo.

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Thanks for the replies guys. If I'm ahead it is not a hand like JJ/TT, he is checking those behind on the turn 98% of the time. If I'm ahead he has a pair plus draw of some sort. I'm probably crushed way too often to continue with this hand though.
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Old 07-10-2007, 06:52 AM
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Default Re: 200NL QQ in reraised pot. Sort of deep.

bet more on the flop. His play really feels like AA to me trying to make sure he busts your QQ/KK.
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Old 07-10-2007, 06:56 AM
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Default Re: 200NL QQ in reraised pot. Sort of deep.

Why is a bigger flopbet superior? It's super dry and I usually bet somewhere between 1/2 to 2/3 pot in reraised pots. No more needed to get the money in eventually and not as concerned with draws usually.
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Old 07-10-2007, 07:47 AM
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Default Re: 200NL QQ in reraised pot. Sort of deep.

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Why is a bigger flopbet superior? It's super dry and I usually bet somewhere between 1/2 to 2/3 pot in reraised pots. No more needed to get the money in eventually and not as concerned with draws usually.

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Fold turn. Betting bigger on the flop would be a mistake.
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