Ummm, I just folded KK preflop?

[Melchiades]

I have very nitty image. I'm running at 16/12 or something. Got my stack from getting Pavel55 (lol Pavel) to bluff off a stack to me when my AK flopped TPTK in a nonreraised pot. I made a huge call, so no reason for villain to think I'm bluffing or that I like to fold. Villain is TAG 20/15, his minreraise the first time around was out of character. Still don't know if I like my fold or not, just can't see him doing this with QQ or AK.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $265.55
BB: $207.65
<font color="black">Hero (UTG): $561.15</font>
MP: $331.85
CO: $347.20
BTN: $178.35

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $16.00</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $16.00, SB calls $15.00, BB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $70.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $156.00</font>, 3 folds

Pot Size: $260.00

[tozzy]

reading title:
yes, this is bad.

[keikiwai]

this isn't as bad as the usual i folded KK posts

[AndyP]

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this isn't as bad as the usual i folded KK posts

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I agree. I usually just shove here, although his line screams AA.. I just can't fold KK pf no matter what.

[johnnyrocket]

yea this isnt too bad, i think its +EV in the long run no matter what with KK here but this isnt too bad a fold and isnt nearly as bad as the other posts i see where people fold to 3 bets

[Rainclouds]

Since this is somewhat deep, it's really not bad.
MP 5-bets small in a 4-way pot, screaming for a call. This is AA like 90% of the time. This is one of the rare occasions where I would be able to fold KK preflop.

[tozzy]

since its hard for me to let AKo go preflop, im never ever folding this. [censored] stacksizes, this is party.

[Wu36]

yeah, i wouldnt fold this because im a fish and never fold. but hes doing his best to turn aces face up, so yeah nh i guess.

[Rainclouds]

Reading it again and I think this is just a beautiful fold.

reasons to fold:
- Villain has decent stats so he is not a maniac
- You have a nitty image, so villain must give credit for your 4-bet
- Villain 5-bets
- The 5-bet is small so he hopes for a call
- It's a 4-way reraised pot and villain wants to play for stacks
- Effective stack sizes are semi-deep
- You made a huge call earlier and he's not afraid for a call here, so he's not bluffing
- I can't see QQ or AKo play this way; they usually either shove or flat call the 4-bet

reasons to call [edit]or shove[/edit]:
"it's KK omg"

[jojo77]

I would probably call. Even if it's As you have 20% chance of catching another K