3/5 Live, big river decision with full house, call or go to valuetown?

mwalsh2020 · #1 05-14-2007, 12:21 AM

villain in this hand seems to play like a typical average older white guy... knows how to fold like the bottom 60 percent of hands but tends to bet a little too much when he does flop something, we've played a little bit and he probably respects my game a little bit although i was caught b3b bluffing from my bb a few orbits ago. Villain has 600 and I cover.

Three limpers, i check 56o in my bb.

flop: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] I normally bet here but decided to check and see what developed. Villain bets 20, terrible fish calls, I decide to just call because I don't like the spot that c/r puts me in here.

Turn: J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I pause, act like I'm going to go for a large bet twice, then finally check hoping to misrepresent my hand for a free card. Not sure if they notice or care, but it checks around.

River: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I am pretty sure there is a flush out there so I elect to check. Villain bets 30, fish calls, I raise to 130, villain then says "make it 230" but the casino has a dumb rule where he has to double the BET as opposed to the RAISE so they make him put out 260. He seems kinda mad but I can't tell if he's faking since he did choose to MIN RAISE me on the river after i c/r.

He has about 400 left after this raise. Fold (lol) call, or raise? If I raise, how much? Advice on all streets welcome but I am by far most interested in the river decision. Comments on betting the river vs. c/r also welcome.

Thanks in advance.

luapmox · #2 05-14-2007, 12:24 AM

i would lead the flop, as played c/c the turn is fine, i would lead the river, as played i would reraise the river.

JrJordan · #3 05-14-2007, 01:22 AM

I'm assuming you're trying to get value from a flush on a river push, but why would he play one like that? If he's betting a flush draw on the flop, he's aggressive enough to bet it on the turn when he hits it as well. Even if he does after the Ax flush, I doubt he calls a push 4-bet often enough to counter the times he calls with a higher boat.

Melchiades · #4 05-14-2007, 01:52 AM

I go to valuetown.

xker17x · #5 05-14-2007, 01:53 AM

shove this river if he has a bigger full house just sux he has a flush here often i think

xker17x · #6 05-14-2007, 01:53 AM

and wont fold it

mwalsh2020 · #7 05-14-2007, 04:20 AM

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I go to valuetown.

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Shove or smaller raise?

Get_better_Baris · #8 05-14-2007, 04:45 AM

lol at shoving unless villian is a complete bozo. just call river.
i feel this forum is going downhill fast

luapmox · #9 05-14-2007, 12:48 PM

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lol at shoving unless villian is a complete bozo. just call river.
i feel this forum is going downhill fast

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i guess you havent played this type of live medium stakes game before. villain probably is a complete bozo willing to lose all of his chips on a paired board with the nut flush.

johnnyrocket · #10 05-14-2007, 12:55 PM

the turn is hilarious that u played like u were going to bet, this is the fishiest move and usually indicates someone wants a free card, i sometime laugh out loud in person when i see this, a 2+2er should not be donking like this

back to the hand tho, he likely has a flush or busted straight draw, ur almost always good here and in reraising is def +EV