KK - overplayed, underplayed, or just right? Party 5/10

[thesilkworm]

Villain is around 30/25. I am around 40/25.

We'd been involved in quite a few pots together already, and he'd got the better of me so far in two big-ish pots.

In one of them he 3-bet the flop with air (J-7), and hit a 7 on the river to beat my small pair.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.70 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (9.70 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.70 BB

[Leader]

I would have put in another raise at some point especially given your image and what you've seen.

[Oink]

I cap the flop. He is prolly 3-betting the flop pretty light.

As played I think you have eq to raise turn.

Oh, and
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In one of them he 3-bet the flop with air (J-7), and hit a 7 on the river to beat my small pair.


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Party is such a LAG-fest these days

[thesilkworm]

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Party is such a LAG-fest these days

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Yeah, I'm one of them, "Catherina82". [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

He had AA in this hand btw, but yeah, in the long run I'm probably missing value playing KK this weak.

[yourface]

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Party is such a LAG-fest these days

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Yeah, I'm one of them, "Catherina82". [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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indeed. I never would have thought you were a 2+2er. from a pretty short session with you my notes are
"donk TP into pfr
3bet Q9o from SB vs a steal, bet/3bet TT6 flop
spewmonkey"

edit: ive got you datamined as 45/30/2. must be some crazy variance with that style.

***** Hand History for Game 5819268409 *****
$ 3/$ 6 USD Texas Hold'em - Thursday, March 29, 14:00:41 ET 2007
Table Table 126849 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: ludomanAKQJ ( $ 229 USD )
Seat 4: Catherina82 ( $ 564.24 USD )
Seat 5: xPrussianx ( $ 111.50 USD )
Seat 6: Alimaniac ( $ 240.50 USD )
Seat 3: NHFTW ( $ 106 USD )
Seat 2: Flauschi83 ( $ 140.50 USD )
Catherina82 posts small blind [$ 1 USD].
xPrussianx posts big blind [$ 3 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NHFTW [ 7s 7d ]
Alimaniac folds.
ludomanAKQJ folds.
Flauschi83 folds.
NHFTW raises [$ 6 USD]
Catherina82 raises [$ 8 USD]
xPrussianx folds.
NHFTW calls [$ 3 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, Th, Tc ]
Catherina82 bets [$ 3 USD]
NHFTW raises [$ 6 USD]
Catherina82 raises [$ 6 USD]
NHFTW calls [$ 3 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
Catherina82 bets [$ 6 USD]
NHFTW calls [$ 6 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
Catherina82 bets [$ 6 USD]
NHFTW calls [$ 6 USD]
Catherina82 shows [ Qh, 9s ]two pairs, Queens and Tens.
NHFTW doesn't show [ 7s, 7d ]two pairs, Tens and Sevens.
Catherina82 wins $ 60 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Queens and Tens.

you got me calling you down pretty light after that one.

got anything on me?

[thesilkworm]

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Party is such a LAG-fest these days

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Yeah, I'm one of them, "Catherina82". [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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indeed. I never would have thought you were a 2+2er. from a pretty short session with you my notes are
"donk TP into pfr
3bet Q9o from SB vs a steal, bet/3bet TT6 flop
spewmonkey"

edit: ive got you datamined as 45/30/2. must be some crazy variance with that style.

***** Hand History for Game 5819268409 *****
$ 3/$ 6 USD Texas Hold'em - Thursday, March 29, 14:00:41 ET 2007
Table Table 126849 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: ludomanAKQJ ( $ 229 USD )
Seat 4: Catherina82 ( $ 564.24 USD )
Seat 5: xPrussianx ( $ 111.50 USD )
Seat 6: Alimaniac ( $ 240.50 USD )
Seat 3: NHFTW ( $ 106 USD )
Seat 2: Flauschi83 ( $ 140.50 USD )
Catherina82 posts small blind [$ 1 USD].
xPrussianx posts big blind [$ 3 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NHFTW [ 7s 7d ]
Alimaniac folds.
ludomanAKQJ folds.
Flauschi83 folds.
NHFTW raises [$ 6 USD]
Catherina82 raises [$ 8 USD]
xPrussianx folds.
NHFTW calls [$ 3 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, Th, Tc ]
Catherina82 bets [$ 3 USD]
NHFTW raises [$ 6 USD]
Catherina82 raises [$ 6 USD]
NHFTW calls [$ 3 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
Catherina82 bets [$ 6 USD]
NHFTW calls [$ 6 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
Catherina82 bets [$ 6 USD]
NHFTW calls [$ 6 USD]
Catherina82 shows [ Qh, 9s ]two pairs, Queens and Tens.
NHFTW doesn't show [ 7s, 7d ]two pairs, Tens and Sevens.
Catherina82 wins $ 60 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Queens and Tens.

you got me calling you down pretty light after that one.

got anything on me?

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I don't datamine, so all I have is 48 hands with you. You're around 25/20. Don't have any notes on you, although I remember seeing your screen name and thinking "oh he must be 2+2".

To explain my play with the Q9o, well, it may look a bit retarded, but it works. I'll quite often take down a pot with air on the turn doing this - I don't do this against the idiots of course. Obviously you were calling down here and I got lucky to hit a Q.

It seems that you caught me during one of my most, shall we say, "adventurous" sessions:

***** Hand History for Game 5819281527 *****
$ 3/$ 6 USD Texas Hold'em - Thursday, March 29, 14:04:13 ET 2007
Table Table 126849 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: Catherina82 ( $ 594.24 USD )
Seat 1: ludomanAKQJ ( $ 204 USD )
Seat 5: xPrussianx ( $ 122.50 USD )
Seat 6: Alimaniac ( $ 236.50 USD )
Seat 3: NHFTW ( $ 67 USD )
Seat 2: Flauschi83 ( $ 159 USD )
NHFTW posts small blind [$ 1 USD].
Catherina82 posts big blind [$ 3 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Catherina82 [ Kd 4h ]
xPrussianx folds.
Alimaniac folds.
ludomanAKQJ folds.
Flauschi83 folds.
NHFTW raises [$ 5 USD]
Catherina82 raises [$ 6 USD]
NHFTW raises [$ 6 USD]
Catherina82 calls [$ 3 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 8c, Jc ]
NHFTW bets [$ 3 USD]
Catherina82 calls [$ 3 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8s ]
NHFTW bets [$ 6 USD]
Catherina82 calls [$ 6 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 6s ]
NHFTW checks.
Catherina82 checks.
NHFTW shows [ Qd, Ad ]a pair of Eights.
Catherina82 doesn't show [ Kd, 4h ]a pair of Eights.
NHFTW wins $ 40 USD from the main pot with a pair of Eights with Ace kicker.

Ok, enough of the euphemisms - I was on monkey tilt that day. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Tilt is undoubtedly by biggest weakness, and I'm trying to stop it, although I have just spewed off $500 as I write this, so that's obviously not working too well.

Also, I lead far too many flops. Um, and I call down too often.

Variance you ask? Well actually, no. I guess I'm just a luckbox, and my sample size is very very small (I'm just a recreational player really, looking to improve).

Today's graph:


I'm pretty new to both PokerTracker and 6-handed Limit Hold'em, but I've been pretty variance free so far (read lucky):



So yeah, your stats and your reads on me are pretty much spot on. Think of me as a Euro-lagtard that is sometimes capable of logical thought and you'll do just fine against me. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

And yes, I realise that I have run ridiculously hot over the last 14k hands since I bought Poker Tracker, and I don't expect to maintain a 6 BB/100 win rate. Would be nice though...

[yourface]

I fear the thinking LAGs, they drive me insane sometimes. it always feels like I'm being value bet to death when I show down mediocre hands.

ie.
***** Hand History for Game 5819244426 *****
$ 3/$ 6 USD Texas Hold'em - Thursday, March 29, 13:54:02 ET 2007
Table Table 126849 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: ludomanAKQJ ( $ 208.50 USD )
Seat 4: Catherina82 ( $ 579.74 USD )
Seat 5: xPrussianx ( $ 113 USD )
Seat 6: Alimaniac ( $ 226 USD )
Seat 3: NHFTW ( $ 128 USD )
Seat 2: Flauschi83 ( $ 150 USD )
Catherina82 posts small blind [$ 1 USD].
xPrussianx posts big blind [$ 3 USD].
Flauschi83 posts big blind [$ 3 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NHFTW [ 2s 2d ]
Alimaniac folds.
ludomanAKQJ folds.
Flauschi83 checks.
NHFTW raises [$ 6 USD]
Catherina82 calls [$ 5 USD]
xPrussianx folds.
Flauschi83 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, 5h, 3d ]
Catherina82 bets [$ 3 USD]
NHFTW calls [$ 3 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ]
Catherina82 bets [$ 6 USD]
NHFTW calls [$ 6 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Qh ]
Catherina82 bets [$ 6 USD]
NHFTW calls [$ 6 USD]
Catherina82 shows [ 7d, 9d ]two pairs, Nines and Fives.
NHFTW doesn't show [ 2s, 2d ]two pairs, Fives and Twos.
Catherina82 wins $ 46 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Nines and Fives.
#Game No : 5819246737

I dunno wtf I put you on here, but it wasn't a flopped top pair.

sick graph btw. mine looks like that except upside down.

[johnnyrocket]

we need to get in another raise here, what is he 4 betting preflop here that has u beat besides KK or maybe JJ. this is an easy 4 bet down.