But I know he's weak!

DLizzle · #1 04-03-2007, 04:12 PM

30 left in some 20+2 10k guarantee. I've been pretty active, made a few raises and some reraises lately. When I raised the button here, I felt like one of the blinds was probably gonna resteal, because they definetly wouldn't believe me.

So I feel like either I should raise and be willing to call a shove or just fold. Is this a bad way to think? My hand might just be too weak against his range to call, its kinda borderline to me I'm not too great with the math, I would really love to know what kind of range he needs to have to call here with price I'm getting.

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saw flop|saw showdown

Hero (t45687)
SB (t90706)
BB (t33775)
UTG (t47654)
MP1 (t74631)
MP2 (t21334)
CO (t68624)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t6000, 1 fold, BB raises to t33675, Hero calls t27675.

Mr.WeakTight · #2 04-03-2007, 04:18 PM

If you're pretty sure you're going to get played back at, and all you have is a medium strength hand, you should limp or fold pre-flop. button raises look like steals and they already are going to think you're stealing. now is the time to tighten up and wait for a real hand - then when they don't believe you, it's good for you.

as played, fold to the push. even though they may think you're an idiot, they at least have a pair or or an ace so you're most likely behind.

Fiksdal · #3 04-03-2007, 04:23 PM

One thing is, anyone obersving this surely won't resteal much from you later. Which is nice.

kniper · #4 04-03-2007, 04:29 PM

well, after this call there wont be any restealing at all, he gonna be push/fold

Cablelessray · #5 04-03-2007, 05:20 PM

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One thing is, anyone obersving this surely won't resteal much from you later. Which is nice.

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that's not a reason on it's own... you aren't playing with pros here

flyingmoose · #6 04-03-2007, 05:28 PM

Getting 3:2 and putting him on a wide range of hands I would call for sure.

DLizzle · #7 04-03-2007, 05:30 PM

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If you're pretty sure you're going to get played back at, and all you have is a medium strength hand, you should limp or fold pre-flop. button raises look like steals and they already are going to think you're stealing. now is the time to tighten up and wait for a real hand - then when they don't believe you, it's good for you.

as played, fold to the push. even though they may think you're an idiot, they at least have a pair or or an ace so you're most likely behind.

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but i have a semi-legitimate hand and he's probably even more likely to push as a bluff if i limp

Dazza1984 · #8 04-03-2007, 08:07 PM

I fold here. What are you beating?? Only hand that he could do this with that your beating is Q J. I fold and limp pf.

flyingmoose · #9 04-03-2007, 09:26 PM

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I fold here. What are you beating?? Only hand that he could do this with that your beating is Q J. I fold and limp pf.

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People resteal with suited connectors all the time and if OP believed a resteal was coming a lot of the time, then his range probably includes a bunch of napkins too. Also, you don't have to have him beat when there's a sizable overlay.

Cornell Fiji · #10 04-03-2007, 10:34 PM

If you think the villain is restealling with a huge range (as indicated by your call of his shove) then you should fold preflop.

If you think that the blinds will resteal with any ace, any two broadway, and suited connectors that represents 29% of hands so you will get shoved on 50% of the time.

If you have them on this wide range (as indicated by your call) then you should be calling once they shove on you but this means that 50% of the time you are getting your stack in as a 43%/57% dog (see below) and 50% of the time you win 6,000 chips. Its not worth it.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.177% 55.35% 01.83% 3957932016 130562502.00 { 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, A2o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1: 42.823% 41.00% 01.83% 2931524484 130562502.00 { KTo }

I think that they are going to fold the bottom 71% of hands if you raise to 6,000 or if you raise to 5,000 preflop so if you are intent on raising then you should have atleast made it 5k, making a 5k bet that you will win 6k at leats 45% of the time and when they smooth call you have a decent hand to play in position.

I think open folding is the best option with a raise to 5k (fold to a shove) being second best, a raise to 6k (fold to a shove), and a raise to 6k (call a shove) being 3rd/4th best options respectively.