Flopping a monster in a four way raised pot. Bet out or check?

[CobraGoat]

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Jackall, what if they players are mega calling station donks, I am fine with checkraising knowing that if any good card for them comes, stack time.

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This is a big what if. Plus, if you C/R there is a good chance they fold before that great card comes. whereas on the other hand. AQ AK sitting there will likely call one lead bet and then have better chance of stacking off.

C/R is good for getting value out of bluffs. I think against this many opps you need to value lead and hope for fireworks.

[RiverHebrew2]

Limp/calling UTG is bad with 44. REads on opponents? How they play overpairs? I think u should check- even tho people at these limits overvalue low pockets... they will bet with them too most likely. Plus gives those overpairs a chance to bet. They won't fold to a C/r, but they mite not araise a flop bet. That's probably why c/r this flop is good or c/r non-scare card turn and prob openshoving riv.

[DirteAA]

Your image and how well your opponents play greatly determine how you should proceed in this spot.

I think a good default line is c/c flop and lead the turn.

[ikestoys]

i c/c flop a lot.

[FishSticks]

Preflop is no good.

You have the entire deck crushed. A flop c/r shows way too much strength. I'd c/c the flop and look to get frisky on later streets, or if they are stationish enough I'd weak lead the flop and then keep betting.

It's really doubtful we're getting ourselves a stack here, so we just need to try to squeeze out what we can.

[Tankker]

Yeah I think bet out and then check the turn is pretty good here.

[loosbastard]

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i c/c flop a lot.

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[Casper05]

c/r smallish to build the pot unless its a passive table...If you dont think anybody will bet, then pot it right now.

[wslee00]

bet flop, check turn... it will look like you have a small overpair.

[bilbo-san]

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Preflop is no good.

You have the entire deck crushed. A flop c/r shows way too much strength. I'd c/c the flop and look to get frisky on later streets, or if they are stationish enough I'd weak lead the flop and then keep betting.

It's really doubtful we're getting ourselves a stack here, so we just need to try to squeeze out what we can.

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If the PFR has JJ+, then "not getting a stack" here is quite frankly pathetic.

I hate the limp-call with hands like this, but one thing is sure: if you aren't going to get your stack in the middle now, then WTF are you doing in the pot in the first place? If you want to make all this limp-calling even marginally profitable, you MUST get them to stack off when you hit.

Maximizing for the situations where no one has an overpair or a deuce is a TERRIBLE way to play hands like this. YOu are way better off winning ZERO every time this is the case, and stacking off every time they have QQ+ or someone has a deuce than you are trying to win $50 in all cases.