tough spot vs MTBlue

[Moonshine]

c/f, QJ prob isnt betting this river

[JaBlue]

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nothing seems reasonable except a shove after your turn bet.

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Shove is easily the worst option.

check/fold. He's not betting often with hands that you beat.

[DJ Sensei]

you're ahead here the great majority, the only hard part about it is that he'll rarely bet worse if checked to, or call with worse if bet at.

So either make a really weak bet that he might raise or call with worse (obvi call a shove) or overshove yourself and try for a hero call.

Standard bet or check here won't cut it, so its time for something XTREME.

[JaBlue]

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he'll rarely bet worse if checked to, or call with worse if bet at.

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So either make a really weak bet that he might raise or call with worse (obvi call a shove) or overshove yourself and try for a hero call.



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How did you get to that conclusion from that reasoning?

what you wrote first is exactly why you c/f.

[DJ Sensei]

Basically i'm thinking that:

a) we're almost always ahead, so what we do doesnt matter TOO much.
b) maybe using a non-standard line has more chance of sucessfully getting a bet out, and if not it'll keep him guessing
c) checking means he gets to see what we have and how we played it
d) if we ever want to 3-barrel in this spot or a similar one, we have to bet here now.

[JaBlue]

I completely disagree with D, think the conclusion of A is ridiculous i.e. shoving would be horrible here, and think C matters very little.

For what its worth I agree that we're almost always ahead here, I just don't think MTBlue ever gets out of line in this spot.

[Hindsight2020]

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AT is the only hand he ever has here that's beating you.

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no

with the donk behind him, he could be going for the overcall with a bunch of hands

[MDMA]

What am I reading here? How can you seriously say shove is "easily the worst option" here? It is not even CLOSE to as bad as check/calling. Misread stacksize at first, personally I'd fire 100 here.

[AJFenix]

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make a really weak bet that he might raise or call with worse

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Looks like a pretty clear spot for this.

[Christophers]

Stacks are too shallow for that right? 240 left in a 380 pot.