qj suited hand

ragip · #1 05-17-2006, 05:52 AM

Hi,
This is my first post, badly played, and I don't have a real hand history. So flame away. 25NL on pokerroom. SB seems tight after two or three orbits, hasn't played a hand beyond the flop. No read on the other two.

4folds, raise to 1.5 in late position, 1 fold, 1 call, Button folds, SB calls, I call in BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

6 $ in pot.
flop Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

small blind bets 2$. My thought process is that this seems too low to have a Q and he is trying to buy another card with a flush draw. I raise to 5$, two folds, small blind calls.

16$ in pot.
turn K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] SB checks, I bet 8 $. SB thinks for a long time and goes all in for 16 $. There is 40 $ in the pot with 8$ to me to call.

Do I call? Can I put him on underbet KQ after this? Thinking back maybe I should have folded this preflop as I was out of position, or if I decided to play it raise him more on the flop and fold if reraised. But as played, I think I need 9 outs on the river to make this even money, which I can't imagine how I could have. Thanks for any input.

xwillience · #2 05-17-2006, 05:57 AM

no you fold. when they sit there and think for a while and then raise.. its a bad sign.

after thought: i just realized hes allin for only 8 more. yeah i make the call. He could have a weaker Q, FD, or a big hand. If your behind to JT your drawing to 3 outs, [censored]. But if your behind two pair you have 3 jacks, 3 kings, and maybe 3 9s. you may also be ahead though.

Supesimmo · #3 05-17-2006, 06:01 AM

You have to call in this situatin, just based on the pot odds agains the chances that you're ahead/have outs if you're behind.

cambraceres · #4 05-17-2006, 06:03 AM

You have some outs here, queens are clean, all 4 tens are clean, and villain could be behind farther than that.

If I come in at all, flop is a bigger bet, calling the turn
as played.

Cam

ragip · #5 05-17-2006, 06:08 AM

Thanks for the replies. Is calling preflop too loose here though, without any reads?

cambraceres · #6 05-17-2006, 06:12 AM

With position QJs is all good. It's marginal OOP.

It's fold for me because of position and the pf action.

Cam

ValarMorghulis · #7 05-17-2006, 06:26 AM

Raise on flop and bet on turn are both bad. (I probably call on flop, might consider folding.)

Maulik · #8 05-17-2006, 05:40 PM

Don't min-raise. Don't tell me you did not min-raise.

Are you in position? please use a converter.