NL50 KK - ugly turn

orlov · #1 11-19-2007, 09:03 AM

Villain is 18/10/2 over 52mined hands, 2nd orbit at table.

Titan No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25/$0.50BB (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief)

SB ($52.25)
BB ($50.00)
MP2 ($50.00)
MP3 ($50.00)
CO ($51.50) (Hero)
Button ($86.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
MP2 calls $0.50, 1 folds, Hero raises to 2.5, Button calls $2.50, 2 folds, MP2 calls $2.00,

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ( $8.25 )
MP2 bets $6.50, Hero raises to 15.0, 1 folds, MP2 calls $8.50,

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( $38.25 )
MP2 bets $18.00, 1 folds, Hero?

I just fold right?

Ive shown strength preflop, on the flop, and he isnt scared of the ace...

Malifous · #2 11-19-2007, 09:05 AM

I think this is a fold, Axhh or set it seems.

willyc · #3 11-19-2007, 09:06 AM

Is villain's aggression factor of 23 a typo? If not then I might not fold here.

If it was a typo then absolutely everything about villain's stats and line tell me that he has a set.

orlov · #4 11-19-2007, 09:07 AM

It was a typo, I edited it strait after but it didnt seem to work, anyway edited now.

I also thought it was a set since the limp utg would make sense for 66 and 22.

Is the flop raise still good tough? As he could be doing this with an sc or axs ?

checktheriver · #5 11-19-2007, 09:17 AM

On such a wet flop raising is mandatory unless you have a specific read. There are a lot of draws in his range, he might be donking / calling a raise with 99-TT or even TP. I'd raise more though (especially given it's multiway even though BTN is folding pretty much all the time unless he has a monster), make it ~20 and call a shove.

As played I'd fold turn, but don't you think he'd just push the flop with a set ?

orlov · #6 11-19-2007, 09:18 AM

I agree with him probably pushing the flop with a set, but I dont see him betting much that we beat on the turn

Malifous · #7 11-19-2007, 09:23 AM

He might not be playing set that fast. Why would 20 be better instead of 16, just curious since 16 seems fine to me. What does 20 achieve that 16 doesent?

billip62 · #8 11-19-2007, 09:30 AM

The flop raise seems a bit tricky, I'd raise to 20ish. Depending on the player, he might think you're getting tricky with such a small reraise and that can give you bogus information. I think it's a fold, there really isn't much of the villian's range that you beat and it's a good place to save some money. had it been AA instead of KK and the turn was a K is anyone folding?

Malifous · #9 11-19-2007, 09:39 AM

Probably not...

n4rf · #10 11-19-2007, 10:27 AM

The Ace probably saved us here from a set, tleast it's the way I see it. It's possible villain put us on 2 overs and thought that ace might have hit us. He's definitely playing TAG and changing up his play from a usual slowplay.

I wonder how this hand would have turned out if Villain slowed down...