A Discussion of PF LAG play using Andy Bloch's pf raising theory - Page 4

mwalsh2020 · #31 10-14-2007, 06:32 PM

These are the non-ante percentages of hands to play by position. And yes, they are for opening the pot, when no one else has entered yet. Sorry I didn't originally make that super clear, I thought it was obvious.

My intuition tells me that opening KJo UTG probably isn't profitable but then again since it's at the very bottom of your range, maybe you just aren't really supposed to put much if any money in the pot when someone calls you, where as you profit when they make calls against the top half of your range. This seems to be what andy bloch is talking about when he says you want to steal the blinds half the time and free roll on the flop the other half when they call instead of 3betting you.

pineapple888 · #32 10-14-2007, 07:38 PM

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This seems to be what andy bloch is talking about when he says you want to steal the blinds half the time and free roll on the flop the other half when they call instead of 3betting you.

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These concepts are far more important in tournaments than in cash games. Now that I've repeated myself, I'll stop here.

mwalsh2020 · #33 10-15-2007, 01:46 AM

theres absolutely no difference when antes aren't involved if the tournament has effective stacks of 100bb and isn't close to the bubble where cEV diverges from normal EV. DUCY?

mwalsh2020 · #34 10-15-2007, 01:49 AM

Also, I just realized how dumb I am, and that yes, this will NOT translate into a 30vpip strategy because obviously players will enter the pot before me and force me to fold hands that I'd normally play.

What do you guys think of his suggestion to, if you don't have good information on a player, to react to a limp from someone by pretending that you are two spots earlier than you really are. That is, say UTG limps, and you are button- you use your opening range for mp... he also says that he recommends limping along a lot also, but i know a lot of posters on here prefer raising to isolate. some more interesting material for discussion.

FishSticks · #35 10-15-2007, 02:00 AM

pineapple888 · #36 10-15-2007, 03:09 AM

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theres absolutely no difference when antes aren't involved if the tournament has effective stacks of 100bb and isn't close to the bubble where cEV diverges from normal EV. DUCY?

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So WTF? Who the hell posts tournament theory about 100bb stacks? [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Btch_Im_Cuter · #37 10-15-2007, 03:55 AM

You'll get smashed by aggressive 3-bettors if you try to play this many hands in a tough game. LOL.

curious123 · #38 10-15-2007, 09:56 AM

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You'll get smashed by aggressive 3-bettors if you try to play this many hands in a tough game. LOL.

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Shocking that a guy who's been studying unexploitable play for like 15 years missed something that's so obv to the common ssnl'er.

Someone should e-mail him and make him aware of this oversight.

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mwalsh2020 · #39 10-15-2007, 02:15 PM

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You'll get smashed by aggressive 3-bettors if you try to play this many hands in a tough game. LOL.

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care to explain why?

brianpower · #40 10-15-2007, 02:36 PM

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he also says that he recommends limping along a lot also, but i know a lot of posters on here prefer raising to isolate. some more interesting material for discussion.

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Its easy enough to put pressure on the (<20BBs) villains post flop in a limped pot in a tourney from LP. It's not going to be as effective in cash games.