Weeeeird spot with AK, all streets

DJ Sensei · #1 10-13-2007, 03:53 PM

10/20 6max, I'm in BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

UTG (3900) - solid regular
MP (3800) - mostly unknown
CO (2000)
Button (2700) - mostly unknown
SB (4000)
Hero, BB (2000) - TAG image probably, but maybe unknown to these other guys

UTG: raises to $70
MP: raises to $220
CO: folds
Button: coldcalls
SB: folds
Hero: calls?
UTG: calls

Flop [ 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ] (Pot ~ $900)

Hero: checks?
UTG: checks
MP: checks
Button: checks

Turn [ 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ] (Pot ~ $900)

Hero: checks?
UTG: checks
MP: checks
Button: bets $325
Hero: calls
UTG: folds
MP: folds

River [ 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ] (Pot ~ $1550)

Hero: checks (intending to call anything, probably)

I could see a preflop 4-bet or a turn and/or river bet as played being the most obvious alternatives to this line. just a weird spot all around. How would you play it?

Borned_Luckbox1 · #2 10-13-2007, 04:01 PM

I would shove preflop. ( I assume they are not only raising the nuts preflop)

As played I would bet turn and river.

JKratzer · #3 10-13-2007, 04:13 PM

don't like the call pre, unless you get some diamonds there's almost no board you're gonna be getting good action on. as played lead turn? a river bet is pretty worthless i think, either call or fold depending on villian. you said mostly unknown so i guess a call is ok but it's close.

MATT111 · #4 10-13-2007, 04:45 PM

Preflop you chose the worst of all options. What made you call?
Flop check is ok I guess. If it`s getting checked through your opponents aren`t drawing to alot of outs most of the time.
Why didn`t you bet the turn? As played I would raise.
I would like to here your thoughts behind your decisions in this hand as it looks totally messed up to me.

EC10 · #5 10-13-2007, 05:05 PM

i agree that calling pf is the worst option

jlocdog · #6 10-14-2007, 01:21 AM

I like every street.

Obviously PF is your biggest decision but once you call which I don't mind nearly as much as the rest of the forum, I think you played it out perfectly. If you bet the turn it would be with the intention of folding to a raise (I assume) and given PF, it just seems way too borderline spewy. You will get raised often with worse (semi bluffin clubs) and may get trapped against better (AA/sets). Once the flop gets checked through, I am looking to get to as cheap a showdown as possible. The value of your hand with PF action, lies in inducing more then being the aggressor. The ol' pull vs. push mentality.

I had a whole post written as to why I like PF but for some reason I can't express it articulately or atleast without writing a book. But I do like it.

DJ Sensei · #7 10-14-2007, 05:10 AM

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Preflop you chose the worst of all options. What made you call?
Flop check is ok I guess. If it`s getting checked through your opponents aren`t drawing to alot of outs most of the time.
Why didn`t you bet the turn? As played I would raise.
I would like to here your thoughts behind your decisions in this hand as it looks totally messed up to me.

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well to be honest, it was a spot i've been in so rarely that i froze up preflop. i also don't particularly like shoving into 3 players who all may well have the nuts or close to it. I haven't done the math, of course (but why should I, how often does this situation arise?) My intuition says that if I 4-bet shove i'll either win $500 or lose $2000 (well, say, $1500, what with the equity and all). I just don't know what % they'll all fold.

So, getting pretty good pot odds with my drawing hand, I chose to call. Yea its oop, but i'll run into enough dominated aces and can happily c/f if i don't hit a nice flop, so i think i'm in pretty good shape.

When the king comes, I realize that i'm wa/wb and realize the way they'll put the most money in bad is likely by betting at me, so I gave them some chances. I think I can probably get in maybe 1 solid bet (the turn bet obv wasn't that solid, but if I c/r, i'm kinda stuck to the pot). I think a river bet would have been good, but again, it'd stick me to the pot.