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AK flops straight in 3bet pot, turn Very scary
Only 8 hands with villain, who is vpip 25. I poker stoved this on the flop and turn. I have a sick 66% equity. Why do I want to fold so bad? I know I didn't bet it hard enough. I was not committed on the turn but I couldnt just check could I?
Full Tilt Poker No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 6 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $29.40 hero: $96.30 CO: $93.30 Button: $35.70 SB: $30.40 BB: $51.85 Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $2</font>, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $6.5</font>, hero calls. Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($13.25, 2 players) BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">hero bets $7</font>, BB calls. Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($27.25, 2 players) BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">hero bets $12</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises all-in $38.35</font>, hero... |
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Re: AK flops straight in 3bet pot, turn Very scary
Based on villain's preflop raise, I put him on AA, KK, QQ or AK.
I'm trying to get it all in after that flop. And I would start with a pot sized bet and lead turn. You will get max value from vilains holdings. I do not believe we are behind on the turn, we are either splitting or ahead to trips or two pair. I would however think that villain is holding the As, and has pushed on this basis. As played, I would call the turn, and be hoping for no more spades. |
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Re: AK flops straight in 3bet pot, turn Very scary
Given that he three bet you from the blinds we're reasonably safe to assume that he doesn't have a flush on the turn because all the high spades, aside from the ace, are already on the board.
As stated by oliverm, I think this is very likely to be a big pocket pair (including JJ). In fact, this could very easily be a play from JJ with the Js. You only need to call $22~ more on the river with a hand that is reasonably ahead of his range. A fourth spade won't land often enough for him to make a flush with JsJx or AsXx. There's a chance he's got AsAx here and is free rolling a flush on you, but you're giving up equity against the rest of his range by not calling the turn. |
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Re: AK flops straight in 3bet pot, turn Very scary
You need to raise flop more. Not being committed on the turn you could check behind turn and call a non-paired/spade river, but if you are going to bet I'd get it all in on the turn because while this could be a freeroll for him, it also could be a set and we don't want to be putting money in on the river dead.
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Re: AK flops straight in 3bet pot, turn Very scary
Yeah, you defiantly didn't bet big enough on the flop. There are still a lot of scare cards out there that you don't want to see. If you want to lead out, go for a pot sized bet. But because he re-raised you PF, it's pretty fair to assume he's hit that flop pretty good, or he has AA. So I think I'm going for a big check raise here. He's going to be betting into you on the flop most of the time, which allows you to pop him good with a check raise. This is good because it lets you put a ton of pressure on him, and it gets a lot of money into the pot when you know you have the best of it.
The turn was the worst card you could have seen. I don’t think your going to win this pot very often, or in the best circumstances he has a set and he's still got outs to fill up, and in the worst cases he's free-rolling with the A of spades. Unless he's already made his flush, but that doesn't seem very likely given his pre-flop re-raise. However there’s too much money for you to fold I think. |
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Re: AK flops straight in 3bet pot, turn Very scary
You must must must bet that flop with more substance so that you can push most turns.
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Re: AK flops straight in 3bet pot, turn Very scary
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You must must must bet that flop with more substance so that you can push most turns. [/ QUOTE ] Is this based on the "big hands big pots" principle? Are we trying to find a way to get all of the money in? $13 on the flop and the rest on the turn? |
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Re: AK flops straight in 3bet pot, turn Very scary
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[ QUOTE ] You must must must bet that flop with more substance so that you can push most turns. [/ QUOTE ] Is this based on the "big hands big pots" principle? Are we trying to find a way to get all of the money in? $13 on the flop and the rest on the turn? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. There's alot of scare cards on the board. For him and for us so we want to take a path where we can get it in on the turn if we choose to and so we have to bet bigger on the flop. |
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Re: AK flops straight in 3bet pot, turn Very scary
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You must must must bet that flop with more substance so that you can push most turns. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I knew that my major mistake in the hand was not betting more on the flop. It would have made the turn decision much simpler. My had range that I stoved was AA-TT AKs,o AQs I am ahead of all pocket pairs, splitting with any ace and getting freerolled if villain has the As, Js, Ts. I don't know, the turn check raise just totally froze me. I've been beating myself up about it since yesterday, but I folded. (Yes I know it was horrible) +EV |
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Re: AK flops straight in 3bet pot, turn Very scary
i would go further than to say bet more on the flop. i would actually overbet the flop, because we're so likely to get action here versus a typical 3bet range, in addition to protecting our hand. i'd bet like 20 bux and force this guy to move in or get out.
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