NL25 6max: AK pf very weird spot

+EV · #1 07-05-2007, 09:58 AM

This is such a weird hand. I had no stats yet on villains and the games were uber-loose last night.

Hero is in the SB with full stack and AKo. Button has $30.
PreFlop.
* EP and MP limp.
* Button raises to $0.85.
* Hero 3bets out of the SB to $3.00
* EP and MP cold call the threebet!?!?!
* Button Pushes $30

Hero ...

I actually folded thinking that a lot of my outs were probably in other peoples hands. I also folded because I was thinking that with two people left to act, AKo is not going to hold up multiway.

Thoughts?
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losingdonkey · #2 07-05-2007, 10:15 AM

I don't think you're ahead here so holding up isn't really your main concern. Stacking off multiway with AK preflop doesn't have much +EV. Stacking off AK at all preflop is -EV unless you have some kind of read.

+EV · #3 07-05-2007, 10:50 AM

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I don't think you're ahead here so holding up isn't really your main concern. Stacking off multiway with AK preflop doesn't have much +EV. Stacking off AK at all preflop is -EV unless you have some kind of read.

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Heads up AK pf is definately +EV even stacking off. But with the possibility of it being 4 way, that is what I am not sure about.

AK makes the majority of its $$$ in the early streets and most times you are better off getting it all in PF (NLHTP). In the later streets it looses value because people get a chance to outdraw your top pair.

Anyone find a problem with the fold to the 4bet? I kept hearing Phil gorden in my head saying "4 bet means AA." I have the LGB audio cd's.

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Warteen · #4 07-05-2007, 10:54 AM

Given the games are loose, I just get the money in here. Villain #1's range is bigger than just KK+, and if both guys behind you want to put their full stacks in with their crappy pocket pairs/AQ, so much the better for your pot odds. If the players were a little smarter or I had reads that they're not doing this with garbage, I can find a fold.