50NL; 54s hits pair & flush draw 5 ways

[GiantBuddha]

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UTG+1 ($48)
MP1 ($28.55) 14/4/6 over 140 hands
MP2 ($14) 70/3 over 25 hands
CO ($153) 30/11 over 30 hands
Button ($65.45)
SB ($18.50) 43/21 over 40 hands
Hero ($47.75)
UTG ($42.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $2</font>, MP1 calls $2, MP2 calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $1.75, Hero calls $1.50.

Flop: ($10) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $2</font>, Hero...

[Split Suit]

i think u forgot to add the most important stats...UTG+1's =)

[illini43]

You only have bottom pair + a draw, which probably isn't ahead at the moment. You don't have a made hand, so there is no point in trying to push people out of the pot by raising, since you want people in to pay you off when you improve. That said, I just flat call the flop and hope you get some overcalls behind you.

[GiantBuddha]

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You only have bottom pair + a draw, which probably isn't ahead at the moment. You don't have a made hand, so there is no point in trying to push people out of the pot by raising, since you want people in to pay you off when you improve. That said, I just flat call the flop and hope you get some overcalls behind you.

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So that's sort of what I was thinking, but...

Flop: ($10) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $7</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $12</font>, SB calls $10, <font color="#CC3333">Hero needs a new plan.

[GiantBuddha]

Yeah, I think all the reads are off by one.

UTG+1 - tight passive pfr
MP1 - loose passive shorty
MP2 - loose aggressive shorty

[Split Suit]

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You only have bottom pair + a draw, which probably isn't ahead at the moment. You don't have a made hand, so there is no point in trying to push people out of the pot by raising, since you want people in to pay you off when you improve. That said, I just flat call the flop and hope you get some overcalls behind you.

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So that's sort of what I was thinking, but...

Flop: ($10) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $7</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $12</font>, SB calls $10, <font color="#CC3333">Hero needs a new plan.

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that is exactly why i wanted to kno about UTG+1. cuz if hes gonna b raising often, we want to call (not that we dont want to call here often...but esp if hes gonna trap money in for us).

at this point i push and expect to get called in both spots. ultra high variance FTW

[No1Addict]

I think this is a good place to fold.

They've all shown strength and there's probably at least a two pair hand and a better flush draw. -EV to continue playing this hand.

I'm thinking their ranges are: SB flush draw, UTG+1 a big ace, MP2: AT, TT, 44. What do you guys put them on?

They are raising very small though, so that puzzles me a bit. I just know there was a showdown here so please post results at some point. I'm very curious as to waht they actually had.

[PhOENiX_111]

i think folding here is good. there is a very good chance that someone has a better FD, and when ur draw hit, being OOP, you are unlikely to get paid off.

[No1Addict]

I'd say this is push or fold. Position doesn't matter very much IMO.
If you decide you have 14 outs you push. I'm not even sure you're good if you make the flush.

I'm realy looking forward to hearing your opinions on their hand ranges.

[kigsy]

Obviously push or fold but for me its a fold, even if we hit the FD i think there is still a good chance we come out second best and no fold equity that i can see becaise MP2 and SB are short.