moving up

fuzz66 · #1 10-17-2006, 10:16 AM

ive been playing 4$-8$ limit at foxwoods now for about 2 years.during that time ive managed to build a modest bankroll, with one very good session in wich i doubled my bankroll a few weeks ago, wich brings me to last week.during 2 24 hour sessions, i lost it all.on tables where i should have done well[3 or 4 LPP'S and 1 or 2 maniacs], time and time again i was sucked out after being ahead after the flop. i cant get into every hand specifically,but i had 4 boats cracked[2 by quads]1 nut flush cracked by a sr8flush, and numerous trips broken by runner runner or miracle rivers, while my strong drawing hands never got there time after time.the only hands i was able to win were against the better players on the tables,while giving it back to the tourists.ive been a student of this game now for about 4 years, studyingbooks from sklansky, malmouth, krieger etc. as well as this site and its excellent forums. while i believei am still an intermediate player, i also believe ive aquired enough skill to beat these low level games, yet my bankroll tells another story.evaluating my play on those last 2 sessions,the only thing i can come up with is that maybe i should try playing higher limits[10$-20$, 20$- 40$] before giving up entirly.can anyone give me some advice on my problem?

breaktwister · #2 10-17-2006, 10:38 AM

your bankroll wasnt big enough to play 4/8 if you could lose it all in 48 hours

fuzz66 · #3 10-17-2006, 10:39 AM

200 bb's

Mygtar · #4 10-17-2006, 11:03 AM

Hey Fuzz welcome to the forum. I play the FW 4/8 game also.

Anywho here is my opinion, take it for what it is worth.

First I think playing for 24 hours straight is probably not a good idea. How well can you concentrate after that much time? Are you really able to continue to make correct decisions, even at the lower stakes? I know for me after about 10 or 12 hours I get a little loopy and start playing looser, chasing crap etc.

Second I usually only bring 10% at most, of my bankroll to a session. If I lose this I go home.

Best of luck and see you at the 'woods,
Mygtar

fuzz66 · #5 10-17-2006, 11:07 AM

thank you mygtar. have you tried higher limits at fw's. if so, how different is it from the lower limits?

Mygtar · #6 10-17-2006, 11:11 AM

I have not, but this thread may be of help.

Best of luck,
Mygtar

SeaEagle · #7 10-17-2006, 11:18 AM

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200 bb's

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So if I take a shot at a recap:
Over 2 years, you built up an $800 bankroll.
A couple weeks ago you doubled it to $1600.
A week ago you lost it all.
Now you wonder if you should be playing $20/40.

It sounds to me like you've been seriously under-bankrolled all along and only needed a bout of bad luck to break you. You're lucky you went 2 years without having that bout.

In order to safely play 20/40 you need (at least) three things:
1) a minimum bankroll of $12K (300BBs)
2) a basic understanding of bankroll management
3) the ability to beat better players, on average, than those that play 4/8.

It doesn't appear as though you have any of those 3 requisites.

fuzz66 · #8 10-17-2006, 11:23 AM

thank you seaeagle. you suggest i stay in 4-8 with larger bankroll.thats seems to be what everyone is suggesting

fuzz66 · #9 10-17-2006, 11:25 AM

by the way, how often should one expect these bad luck outings with a limited bankroll?

The DaveR · #10 10-17-2006, 11:30 AM

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by the way, how often should one expect these bad luck outings with a limited bankroll?

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At the same frequency as you would have with an infinite bankroll.