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#1
11-30-2007, 12:29 PM
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Re: Interesting hand 10nl How do you play it?
Usually I would to. I think there is no way my hand looks like a FD and he isnt raising me with a FD so why not stick it in. When I do I get snap called and miss a good portion of the time. I decided to take a different tactic this hand. Wait for the turn. Luckily the K is kind of a scare card that I can bluff at.
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#3
11-30-2007, 12:34 PM
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Re: Interesting hand 10nl How do you play it?
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no one cares at 10nl what your hand looks like. make a hand and vbet it to death, save this for msnl [/ QUOTE ] Could this be less constructive?
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#4
11-30-2007, 12:39 PM
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Re: Interesting hand 10nl How do you play it?
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[ QUOTE ] no one cares at 10nl what your hand looks like. make a hand and vbet it to death, save this for msnl [/ QUOTE ] Could this be less constructive? [/ QUOTE ] it is constructive. you cannot count on your opponents at this level to know your stats or table image, or have any semblance of hand reading skills. this is first level thinking here. People at higher stakes semibluff like this all the time. But their plays work because their opponents have some idea of how the game should be played. If you played this hand 10 times you should be shocked at what villains will call with. Your fold equity is never as great as you think. Why would you put yourself in these type of situations when people will call you down with anything? just be patient, make a hand, and get good value out of it. These kinds of plays are entirely unnecessary to beat the game.
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#5
11-30-2007, 12:45 PM
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Re: Interesting hand 10nl How do you play it?
Lol you guys are all nits. T8s UTG is 100% fine, its thin and its a LAG play but its totally acceptable. Preflop doesnt matter anyway, its postflop where the money is made/lost. FWIW, 74s is in my UTG range so take that as you will.
Flop goot, I shove though. A blank turn kills your hand and you are a fave against Jx if its not 2pr. Turn is a sick play but given that hes def got a jack (or maybe a dumb FD) I think you get a fold a lot of the time here. Ive based this on a 50nl/100nl villain, I think that this whole play is most likely -EV at 10nl just bc ppl dont like to fold TP. But here I think I would be 3betting the flop and looking to get AI. As played, I think I fold the turn bc I dont think you get paid if you hit.
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#6
11-30-2007, 12:49 PM
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Re: Interesting hand 10nl How do you play it?
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Lol you guys are all nits. T8s UTG is 100% fine, its thin and its a LAG play but its totally acceptable. Preflop doesnt matter anyway, its postflop where the money is made/lost. FWIW, 74s is in my UTG range so take that as you will. [/ QUOTE ] TY AMA [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
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#7
11-30-2007, 12:52 PM
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Re: Interesting hand 10nl How do you play it?
If this post is about the flop play then i say get it in there where your equity is maximized.
ama, you locked some of my threads where I made plays like this on the turn saying that I needed to work on my spew issues. i did, and my winrate skyrocketed
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#8
11-30-2007, 12:54 PM
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Re: Interesting hand 10nl How do you play it?
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I think that this whole play is most likely -EV at 10nl just bc ppl dont like to fold TP [/ QUOTE ] Mathematically, I don't see how this can be -EV at any level against AJo with no hearts calling, given the dead money in the pot. Of course, it's marginally +EV at best, or perhaps taking preflop into account even marginally -EV. Either way, I'm pretty sure getting it on the flop maximizes the amount of equity you actually get out of the hand.
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#9
11-30-2007, 01:00 PM
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Re: Interesting hand 10nl How do you play it?
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[ QUOTE ] I think that this whole play is most likely -EV at 10nl just bc ppl dont like to fold TP [/ QUOTE ] Mathematically, I don't see how this can be -EV at any level against AJo with no hearts calling, given the dead money in the pot. Of course, it's marginally +EV at best, or perhaps taking preflop into account even marginally -EV. Either way, I'm pretty sure getting it on the flop maximizes the amount of equity you actually get out of the hand. [/ QUOTE ] I was referring to the turn, not the flop. Board: 7h 2h Js Kc Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 24.621% 24.62% 00.00% 130 0.00 { Th8h } Hand 1: 75.379% 75.38% 00.00% 398 0.00 { AJs, AJo }
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#10
11-30-2007, 01:03 PM
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Re: Interesting hand 10nl How do you play it?
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Preflop doesnt matter anyway, its postflop where the money is made/lost. [/ QUOTE ] Preflop matters a lot in NL when in early position. Now I'm not arguing whether he should or should not have raised T8s utg (really he's in MP), I just wanted to know what his reasoning was.
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