Bankrolling 17 year old kid

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[cunning]

Which avatar is he going to use on full tilt?

[SenecaJim]

PowerP, This has been some great fiction and I have been getting a kick out of your creativity, really. Lots of laughs. You were doing a good job balancing the inane with some semblance of crediblility here and there but....


But a youngster who practiced and participated enough in 2 different disciplines to get good enough to be state champion for 3 consecutive years and then YEARS AGO quit because of heavy time commitments in community service , etc. and he is now 17...

Don't get me wrong, that made me laugh out loud, my wife asked me what was so funny, but it did upset the balance just a tad. But don't give up, it's hilarious.

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But a youngster who practiced and participated enough in 2 different disciplines to get good enough to be state champion for 3 consecutive years and then YEARS AGO quit because of heavy time commitments in community service , etc. and he is now 17...

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In karate, they had both forms competitions and sparring competitions, and occasionally had "strongest kick" competitions. He had dozens of titles altogether. At least half of them in sparring. He started training at 6. He quit at 11 after seeing Royce Gracie own all of the strikers.

In judo, he started winning titles as early as yellow belt. He quit at purple belt which is the highest belt anyone under 14 can achieve. High school was filled with so much volunteering activities that martial arts was left behind.

He's planning to go back to judo, but I told him he's better off switching to Brazilian Jiujitsu as he is weak in the area of submission grappling.

[NickMPK]

There is only one reason for someone devote serious study to poker....that they love playing poker.

There are several ways for a bright and motivated kid to make more money than he could playing poker.
And there are an infinite number of more fulfilling and socially productively careers.

Have the kid play a little poker recreationally, and then tell him he can't play for a year while he studies in college. If after a year he feels he absolutely must play poker (either full time or on the side), then give him the tools to do so successfully.

[daveT]

And also, someone who has been playing professional as long as you say you have, why would you need to come to a forum to ask which books to read? I also would think that you could teach him poker faster and easier than he can learn from a book.

I know you played LIMIT, but if you played all of those years, you surely have an excellent poker sense. I learned NL shortly after going pro as a LIMIT player, read LGG, and picked it up with little effort.

While I don't doubt your story about wanting your kid to learn poker, I doubt that you state what you say you are. And I also find it hard to believe that you never picked up a book, never learned other forms of poker, and never splashed around in tournaments.

[Doc T River]

It doesn't matter that you are keeping this from the mother because she discouraged him from things, that he became successful at, in the past. She is his mother. She has a right to know as he is seventeen. If he were eighteen, it would be a different story.

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And also, someone who has been playing professional as long as you say you have, why would you need to come to a forum to ask which books to read? I also would think that you could teach him poker faster and easier than he can learn from a book.

I know you played LIMIT, but if you played all of those years, you surely have an excellent poker sense. I learned NL shortly after going pro as a LIMIT player, read LGG, and picked it up with little effort.

While I don't doubt your story about wanting your kid to learn poker, I doubt that you state what you say you are. And I also find it hard to believe that you never picked up a book, never learned other forms of poker, and never splashed around in tournaments.

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Self-study fits very well with the kid's academic nature. I could teach him, but I'd rather outsource that stuff to guys like Sklansky, Harrington, Mehta, Miller, and others. He will learn much faster and more thoroughly if he just went straight to the books, and given time to play in real time.

As to me, of course I dabbled in other forms of poker. I taught myself 8 or better, 7 card stud, and played in some tournaments. And I have read many poker books. In fact, my main copy of TOP is still titled "Winning Poker". But, as I said, self-study, without my biases, is better suited for the kid's academic nature.

I started this thread to get other perspectives. Thanks to some of the responses here, I've actually changed my mind as to what books to read and in what order they ideally should be read. TOP seems to be crucial and it therefore should come in first. PNL and Largay seem to be interchangeable but still must reading. I already bought the audio version of the Green Book and the DVD of Final Table Poker to turn this thing into a multi-media experience. I'm still considering purchasing the audio version of Greenstein's book. And I've just ordered the Poker MBA which would be a good way to metaphorically connect poker with the kid's major in business management and finance.

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You don't need to roll him $1000+ - people who are learning from scratch should be limited by experience and skill level, not bankroll - if he puts in a month or two of solid winning poker at any level he will automatically be rolled to move up anyway.

The two reasons that loads of bright kids round here go bust are inability to mentally cope with downswings (it's the lack of control over them that tilts/demoralizes them) and moving up too fast - both are often caused by a sense of entitlement and overestimation of one's own abilities.

Earning your own roll is a crucial part of the poker experience - it can't be replaced by a study plan, $1000 and some books..

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