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Old 06-24-2007, 05:59 PM
rdrr rdrr is offline
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Default NL50 - AA c/r\'d on flop

Villian is unknown.

Looks like I have to give him credit for a set here considering the limp/call preflop and the relatively dry board; or am I being too nitty?

Calling the min-raise to reevaluate on turn is fine, no?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $56.55
BB: $38.65
UTG: $69.15
UTG+1: $47.00
MP1: $11.25
MP2: $37.80
MP3: $20.45
Hero (CO): $50.00
BTN: $29.25

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.00</font>, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $2.50, MP3 folds

Flop: ($7.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to $10.50</font>, Hero calls $5.50

Turn: ($28.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG+1 bets $25.00</font>,
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Old 06-24-2007, 06:23 PM
Ryanj37 Ryanj37 is offline
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Default Re: NL50 - AA c/r\'d on flop

This is played fine. I think I fold turn.
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Old 06-24-2007, 06:55 PM
A_C_Slater A_C_Slater is offline
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Default Re: NL50 - AA c/r\'d on flop

check behind flop. Do not feareth the 5 outers. If he checks turn bet 1/2 pot for value, if he leads you simply call.
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Old 06-24-2007, 07:01 PM
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Default Re: NL50 - AA c/r\'d on flop

AC,

If we check behind on flops like this with the goods, doesn't it kinda ruin our ability to c'bet with air on the same kind of flop?
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Old 06-24-2007, 07:04 PM
A_C_Slater A_C_Slater is offline
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Default Re: NL50 - AA c/r\'d on flop

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AC,

If we check behind on flops like this with the goods, doesn't it kinda ruin our ability to c'bet with air on the same kind of flop?

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Against regulars maybe, but he is an unknown. And the multi-tabling regulars may not even be paying attention to this hand. Also it is the rare full ring nit that will check/raise your CB's with air. And the others are too dumb to fathom your pot control checking behind with AA "omgz he didn't protect his hand!!"
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Old 06-24-2007, 07:11 PM
A_C_Slater A_C_Slater is offline
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Default Re: NL50 - AA c/r\'d on flop

Also his most likely hand is a pocket pair to limp/call. If that's the case he's either got a set or drawing to 2 outs. It seems standard way ahead/behind to me. I would also like to see showdown to get info on this unknown player. I fear what is unknown.
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Old 06-25-2007, 09:09 AM
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Default Re: NL50 - AA c/r\'d on flop

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AC,

If we check behind on flops like this with the goods, doesn't it kinda ruin our ability to c'bet with air on the same kind of flop?

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With that flop and heads up, I'm almost always going to cbet here against any player whether I have top pair, over pair, set, or air. It's partly for metagame reasons. Until someone plays back at me I will continue to cbet at every opportunity. I'm a pretty tight/patient player, so I look for opportunities like this to appear LAGgy.
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Old 06-24-2007, 08:40 PM
Roger Mainfield Roger Mainfield is offline
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Default Re: NL50 - AA c/r\'d on flop

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check behind flop

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Results oriented, betting here is soooo standard, and checking should be done rarely for metagame purposes agains't regulars.
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Old 06-24-2007, 10:48 PM
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Default Re: NL50 - AA c/r\'d on flop

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check behind flop

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Results oriented, betting here is soooo standard, and checking should be done rarely for metagame purposes agains't regulars.

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Results oriented? Hardly. I think checking behind on a dry board like this is a great line here for the reasons mentioned.
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Old 06-24-2007, 11:16 PM
Roger Mainfield Roger Mainfield is offline
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Default Re: NL50 - AA c/r\'d on flop

You are in position on a dry flop, agains't an opponent who is most likely to be bad (this is 50nl). The reasons stated strike me as a joke almost.

"And checking the flop will get to showdown most cheaply."

SOOO nitty, you have a great hand, you should be concerned about getting to a showdown cheap when A) You are OOP B) Your opponent had shown strength, and you have a decent but not great hand. Get some money in when you have control of the pot.

"I would also like to see showdown to get info on this unknown player."

Similar to the other point, why would you "waste" aces trying to get information on your opponent? It is bad to play a hand extremely meekly because you don't know your opponent.
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