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PNL Study Group Day 2: Stack Sizes
hi all,
getting slammed at work today so hopefully Sunny will wake up soon. i'll be here intermittently. fire away! matt |
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Re: PNL Study Group Day 2: Stack Sizes
This may be more of an SPR question but would you say that in a 50BB buy-in game it is more difficult to play a strategy based on stealing?
Specifically, with 50BB stacks good stealing type hands like SC's lose a bit of their ability to draw so they will not have as much value. Since they are relying mostly on stealing to make a profit is it much more opponent dependent on whether or not these hands are profitable? |
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Re: PNL Study Group Day 2: Stack Sizes
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This may be more of an SPR question but would you say that in a 50BB buy-in game it is more difficult to play a strategy based on stealing? Specifically, with 50BB stacks good stealing type hands like SC's lose a bit of their ability to draw so they will not have as much value. Since they are relying mostly on stealing to make a profit is it much more opponent dependent on whether or not these hands are profitable? [/ QUOTE ] That's my understanding too. I've been thinking about this and playing like an 80x stack. I find that this gives me more flexibility. I can create lower sprs, and at the same time, give my oop opponents some fits with their big pair hands. Problem is, my stack normally only stays there for an orbit or 2 anyway, and I'm back to 100x. |
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Re: PNL Study Group Day 2: Stack Sizes
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... I've been thinking about this and playing like an 80x stack. ... Problem is, my stack normally only stays there for an orbit or 2 anyway, and I'm back to 100x. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, you poor thing! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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Re: PNL Study Group Day 2: Stack Sizes
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This may be more of an SPR question but would you say that in a 50BB buy-in game it is more difficult to play a strategy based on stealing? [/ QUOTE ] not necessarily - depends on how tight your opponents are postflop. you might still be able to steal effectively. [ QUOTE ] Specifically, with 50BB stacks good stealing type hands like SC's lose a bit of their ability to draw so they will not have as much value. Since they are relying mostly on stealing to make a profit is it much more opponent dependent on whether or not these hands are profitable? [/ QUOTE ] absolutely. |
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Re: PNL Study Group Day 2: Stack Sizes
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This may be more of an SPR question but would you say that in a 50BB buy-in game it is more difficult to play a strategy based on stealing? Specifically, with 50BB stacks good stealing type hands like SC's lose a bit of their ability to draw so they will not have as much value. Since they are relying mostly on stealing to make a profit is it much more opponent dependent on whether or not these hands are profitable? [/ QUOTE ] Also, to take this one step further, what sort of adjustments would you make in a slightly loose game with a 50BB stack size. Is there any way to exploit these players other than playing tight ABC poker with more value betting? Do you find these types of games tend to have some more FE than I am giving them credit for? |
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Re: PNL Study Group Day 2: Stack Sizes
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Also, to take this one step further, what sort of adjustments would you make in a slightly loose game with a 50BB stack size. Is there any way to exploit these players other than playing tight ABC poker with more value betting? Do you find these types of games tend to have some more FE than I am giving them credit for? [/ QUOTE ] well if they're loose it sounds like your fold equity is not what you should rely on. however, you can loosen up your own "value betting" range. for example, if your normal nut tight strategy involved playing only premium top pair hands, you might add a few more like KJs or whatever to your range if these guys will call with weak top pairs and second pairs all the way down. |
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Re: PNL Study Group Day 2: Stack Sizes
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[ QUOTE ] Also, to take this one step further, what sort of adjustments would you make in a slightly loose game with a 50BB stack size. Is there any way to exploit these players other than playing tight ABC poker with more value betting? Do you find these types of games tend to have some more FE than I am giving them credit for? [/ QUOTE ] well if they're loose it sounds like your fold equity is not what you should rely on. however, you can loosen up your own "value betting" range. for example, if your normal nut tight strategy involved playing only premium top pair hands, you might add a few more like KJs or whatever to your range if these guys will call with weak top pairs and second pairs all the way down. [/ QUOTE ] I see, so my top pair hands are going to go up in value. Do you agree with the basic idea that stealing becomes a bit more difficult(at least post flop) when you have shorter stacks? |
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Re: PNL Study Group Day 2: Stack Sizes
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Do you agree with the basic idea that stealing becomes a bit more difficult(at least post flop) when you have shorter stacks? [/ QUOTE ] as a general premise, yes. but in practice, it really does depend. if you have enough stack for a c-bet, in certain games that's all the stealing you need. |
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Re: PNL Study Group Day 2: Stack Sizes
Hello everbody
After reading the great book I think the best stack for me is 50BB, I play on PP NL100-200. With the stack of 50BB I play high card's and PP. In the book I can read how much I would raise with high-PP, with high-Cards and with low-PP. But I don't now, which cards I play in Early, Middle and Late-Position. With the low-PP I'm looking for a set, so I want a huigh SPR, should I limp with the low-PP in Early-Position or should I play this low-PP only in Late Position after a few limper's. Can you give me a guide which card's is to play in which position with a 50BB-Stack? Thank you very much Bauertson |
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