Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?

maverickai · #1 10-01-2007, 02:16 PM

MP3 has 34.4/2.86/0.9 - 70 hands

Full Tilt 0.25/0.5 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $0.25.
3 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button raises, Hero calls, UTG (poster) calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP3 bets, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Button calls, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, Button folds, Hero caps, MP3 calls.

River: (17.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero ??.

I have a huge draw on the turn, and I raise to make sure I get paid off big if I hit. I have effectively, 9 cards to make my flush, 3 Ts to make a gutshot straight, and I would assign 2 outs for my overs. Based on MP3's aggression on the turn, he could have a set or AJ.

Critics?

kerowo · #2 10-01-2007, 02:19 PM

The turn cap is a little weak when someone in front of you folds because you aren't getting odds anymore and no one is folding.

River call would be bad, what do you beat? Q high?

BigBadBabar · #3 10-01-2007, 02:24 PM

yes, i'd like to critique. you keep betting and raising but we don't have anything. usually you're supposed to wait until we have something to bet and raise [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

RemyXO · #4 10-01-2007, 02:31 PM

I don't understand ... is it 4 players or 3 on the turn?? I think the converter botched it up ... if it's only three players, than the turn play is very bad. But assume it's 4 players to the turn.

First, I wouldn't give even two outs to the overs. A King Or Queen completes bunch of straights, you may be dominated, and you may be against a made set.
I'd say you got 12 solid outs, so you are roughly 25% to win on the river, so there is no equity edge against 3 villains. When the button folded, you cap is actually a negative equity play - you are paying 33%, but will win only 25%.

Fold river.

Bona · #5 10-01-2007, 02:42 PM

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yes, i'd like to critique. you keep betting and raising but we don't have anything. usually you're supposed to wait until we have something to bet and raise [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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QFT

Sushiglutton · #6 10-01-2007, 02:46 PM

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I have a huge draw on the turn, and I raise to make sure I get paid off big if I hit. I have effectively, 9 cards to make my flush, 3 Ts to make a gutshot straight, and I would assign 2 outs for my overs. Based on MP3's aggression on the turn, he could have a set or AJ.

Critics?

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Normal villains does not 3-bet AJ on this board. Anyway you need ~23outs to cap. Ur flush outs may be tainted too. No way you can cap.

DBSpecial · #7 10-01-2007, 02:51 PM

Turn cap is pretty bad imo.

I don't know why you put ?? on the river decision. You have nothing. With this action you won't win 1 in 50 with K high, let alone 1 in 18.

Aaron W. · #8 10-01-2007, 03:18 PM

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River: (17.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero ??.

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Is there any question what you're doing at this point in the hand?

BigBadBabar · #9 10-01-2007, 03:20 PM

i think one more raise is in order, frankly, for fold equity.

Malifous · #10 10-01-2007, 03:24 PM

I agree that capping turn is pretty horrible and the river is obviously instafold.