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Old 12-01-2007, 07:40 PM
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Default donked into on top pairing river with BP

villain is a LAG. he runs 50/30/2 avg 4.6 players, 60% atsb 46% wtsd over 800 hands

I've seen him overplay weak hands before but he seemed reasonable this session.

Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
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Pre-flop: (3 players) yourface is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises</font>, yourface calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">yourface raises</font>, SB calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">yourface bets</font>, SB calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>,
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Old 12-01-2007, 07:42 PM
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Default Re: donked into on top pairing river with BP

Er, do you want to raise?
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Old 12-01-2007, 07:43 PM
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Default Re: donked into on top pairing river with BP

fold is best imo. curious what others think

I think raising is probably better than calling though. he can't have a Q here
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Old 12-01-2007, 07:45 PM
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fold is best imo. curious what others think

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Fold is best. Every draw got there on the turn and he'd have to be retarded to play an A like this. I'd also just call down from the flop.
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Old 12-01-2007, 07:58 PM
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fold is best imo. curious what others think

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Fold is best. Every draw got there on the turn and he'd have to be retarded to play an A like this. I'd also just call down from the flop.

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Yeah, this is a bad spot to get aggro with a very weak made hand.
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:00 PM
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I call the flop more often than not vs LAGs and let them barrel off

my reason for raising was that villain sat down recently and I wanted to establish that I am raising a wide range of made hands. I felt this would give more credibility to my flop raises which would let me pick up pots with bluff and semibluffs
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:01 PM
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Default Re: donked into on top pairing river with BP

that he c/c a 7 or 9 on the flop and then decided to bet the river?

I don't know his play looks fishy to me and I think I look him up. I guess folding is best but I'm a SD monkey and I don't like folding to LAG donks on river cards that obviously didn't hit their hands. I also probably don't raise the flop and just call down barring really bad turns or rivers.
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:08 PM
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villain is a competent player, so what range of hands can we put him on that get to the river on this board?

he can have 7x, 5x, some 9x, small PPs, turned overcard+straight draw, turned FD

it should be pretty obvious that I have a hand here. the turn improved most semibluffing hands. I don't think that he would bluff into a probable made hand in these aggressive shorthanded games where everyone shows down super light

with the Q pairing he has to like his weaker pairs more
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:15 PM
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villain is a competent player, so what range of hands can we put him on that get to the river on this board?

he can have 7x, 5x, some 9x, small PPs, turned overcard+straight draw, turned FD

it should be pretty obvious that I have a hand here. the turn improved most semibluffing hands. I don't think that he would bluff into a probable made hand in these aggressive shorthanded games where everyone shows down super light

with the Q pairing he has to like his weaker pairs more

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yeah i agree, I think folding is best if he really isn't competent and won't be running a stupid bluff against me. Just last night on an AP 5/10 table I had a dumb LAG b/c with AT on a J652J board (J paired on the river I raised with 77). However the difference is I wouldn't call the guy in my hand necessarily competent. In such a small pot you probably should fold, I just hate folding to weird plays from LAGs in BvB.
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:53 PM
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my reason for raising was that villain sat down recently and I wanted to establish that I am raising a wide range of made hands. I felt this would give more credibility to my flop raises which would let me pick up pots with bluff and semibluffs

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As we discussed earlier, I don't think bottom pair/crap kicker is a hand that will give our raises 'credibility' - in fact it is likely to do the exact opposite.
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