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Old 11-19-2007, 07:36 AM
Shortcorner Shortcorner is offline
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Default 5 CD nl .50

Only recently started playing 5CD, as a variant to NL SNG. I think i played this very poorly, advice on all streets appreciated.

Villain capable of raising on draw.



PokerStars: 5 Card Draw No Limit ($0.25/$0.50)
Table 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Player ($13.10 in chips)
Seat 2: Player ($18.95 in chips)
Seat 3: Villain ($22.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($28.95 in chips)
Seat 5: BB($33.45 in chips)
Seat 6: Player ($25.55 in chips)
shortcorner: posts small blind $0.25
Ripall: posts big blind $0.50
*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to shortcorner [6c 3h Tc 6d 6s]
All folds
Villan : raises $1 to $1.50
shortcorner: calls $1.25
BB: folds
Hero: discards 2 cards [3h Tc]
Dealt to Hero [6c 6d 6s] [9d 4d]
Villain: discards 1 card
shortcorner: checks
Hero: bets $4
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:00 PM
bigpooch bigpooch is offline
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Default Re: 5 CD nl .50

Your hand is too good to call and not good enough to trap
call with (e.g., quads) so you should reraise before the
draw.

Given that you drew two and checked, you have an automatic
payoff here (you should be calling this bet at least with
a frequency of about 45% and I'm assuming that your hand
would be clearly in about the top 45% of your range. You
have an easy payoff and a checkraise is incorrect but could
work out depending how often the button pays off.
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:28 PM
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Default Re: 5 CD nl .50

Thank you.

I've a lot to learn about draw.

I folded. I thought this was a classic case of being wa/wb. I see how c/rai is not good because of this. Subsequent hands i noticed when he drew two, he held an ace with his pair, but also noticed that he checked called with QQ33x. I'm not convinced he'd be as aggressive with two pair, unless he had aces up.

Are you basically saying the value of my hand here is a mandatory call?

Thanks again, any recommended reading material?
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:06 PM
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Thanks for making the HH easier to read for us, I hate when people just copy past pokerstars HH and when there is a consistency with hero / screename, mixing it up is fun.

Otherwise why exactly would you ever think that your hand is no good ?
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Old 11-19-2007, 03:03 PM
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Default Re: 5 CD nl .50

My apologies, genuinely thought i had a consistent HH. Pees me off too.

I think my hand is no good here, as i don't think he bets out enough 2 pair hands here often enough.

This is what i think now, but know that i'm not good at this variant.
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Old 11-19-2007, 06:40 PM
Al Mirpuri Al Mirpuri is offline
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Default Re: 5 CD nl .50

He probably thought you had AAK,KKA or a small pair with an ace/king kicker. If he had not seen you before then he probably took you for a donk who would call with AA or KK postdraw.

These musings are from a limit draw perspective. You will need a big bet draw specialist to verify them...
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Old 11-19-2007, 06:56 PM
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Default Re: 5 CD nl .50

[ QUOTE ]
He probably thought you had AAK,KKA or a small pair with an ace/king kicker. If he had not seen you before then he probably took you for a donk who would call with AA or KK postdraw.

These musings are from a limit draw perspective. You will need a big bet draw specialist to verify them...

[/ QUOTE ]

What he says, lol @ donks calling AA after draw, I once saw this HUGE donk at 30/60 with a bowser image calling a bet after draw with KK !!!! I loled so hard.
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Old 11-20-2007, 09:17 PM
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Default Re: 5 CD nl .50

*semi-grunched* (I saw the first reply)

Typical experienced play with trips calls for drawing just 1 to disguise your hand (makes you look like 2 pair, and you beat every 2 pair hand). That works well right thru 2/4 fixed.

OK, so let’s look at your play from the other’s perspective (meaning how I would play his hand against you). 2 BB is my standard raise to open a pot (so you can’t read my bet size).

2BB means a good playable hand, from the cutoff 6-way that means JJ or better.

Your call looks weak to me. I’d read that as a Broadway pair or less.

So I draw 1, you draw 2. Typically people who draw 2 on weak hands have a pair with an ace (or K or Q). My notes on passing thru bad players (they donate too much to stay too long) frequently read “keeps kicker (on shorts).”

So I drew 1. I either have 2 pair or trips, if I have say AA22 or KKK I’m going to think I’m way ahead of you going to SD. There’s also an outside chance that I raised as a semi bluff with a 1 card draw

Then at SD you pot it, finally some strength. Mebby you do have some real strength, but long term the best you have is trips. What do I have? Well… say I do have KKK or AAA… I’m ahead. Or my 2233x turned into 22233. So I push….

I rarely see a big push as a bluff in 5CD. There is the occasional maniac who has trips every hand but they are rare. Another good general rule I use is a hand strong enough to raise with when pushing has become a boat (where limped hands that later push are straights and flushes) (DUCY?).

So, I read ME as having a full house. Good fold from you.

Next time you have this hand, put your $2 into the pot as a pre-draw re-raise.

Links:

5CD Hand Converter

Online Draw Poker Strategy BY: MICHAEL WIESENBERG

(search out all his articles)
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:47 AM
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Default Re: 5 CD nl .50

Thanks TomTom, links are fantastic!
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:11 PM
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Default Re: 5 CD nl .50

They pretty much covered this. Pretty awfully botched hand. Reraise pre draw, draw 1, do not fold given how you played it.
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