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Old 11-28-2007, 05:57 PM
milesdyson milesdyson is offline
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Default i just ate ham and eggs (eggs and ham for those in UK)

You are the under the gun player (6-handed)!!! You open raise. Oh no, you are 3-bet by the small blind!

You call. Flop T65r, he bets. Choose your own adventure and crap. I personally raise the flop for information but showdown anyway.


Board: Tc 6d 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.956% 45.96% 00.00% 256602 0.00 { 77 }
Hand 1: 54.044% 54.04% 00.00% 301758 0.00 { 88+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+ }

edit: I removed KQo from Hand 1's range because NinaWilliams questioned it and it makes my point stronger.
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:03 PM
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This has something to do with Joe Tall, methinks?
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:04 PM
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Default Re: i just ate ham and eggs (eggs and ham for those in UK)

what's KQo doing in there?
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:04 PM
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Default Re: i just ate ham and eggs (eggs and ham for those in UK)

Yes, but I conveniently changed the hand in my favor. I made UTG actually UTG instead of HJ, so now SB's range is even more constricted.

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what's KQo doing in there?

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Old 11-28-2007, 06:10 PM
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Default Re: i just ate ham and eggs (eggs and ham for those in UK)

77-99 on T65 is the new QQ on 995.
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:19 PM
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Default Re: i just ate ham and eggs (eggs and ham for those in UK)

I usually don't raise here, for a few reasons. One, TAGs these days are bad and will just barrel away with AQ on all streets (What is ATs doing in his range? most weak TAGs coldcall that imo). Two, obviously my hand can't exactly stand a ton of heat - having to pick if this is the type of TAG you can raise/fold against or the type you can call down against can blow. Three, my hand is kinda obvious as some sort of ten or a weakish pair, all of which are about the same value vs. his range.

Edit: Obviously something like QTs has a lot more equity when behind.
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:32 PM
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77-99 on T65 is the new QQ on 995.

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HAHAHAHAHA

Awesome!
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:43 PM
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77-99 on T65 is the new QQ on 995.

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HAHAHAHAHA

Awesome!

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2nd gem of this young thread imo along with

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I personally raise the flop for information but showdown anyway.

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Old 11-28-2007, 07:37 PM
thepizzlefosho thepizzlefosho is offline
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Default Re: i just ate ham and eggs (eggs and ham for those in UK)

miles its time to take a break from the 5k hands or so of strenuous grinding you have been doing, and go get your drink on.

relating to OP, I would say I usually raise the flop, obviously this could change depending on villain. Raising and calling both are reasonable on this board, but with a hand like 77 I tend to not take a WA/WB line because if I'm ahead usually villains have 6+ outs on me.

If I get 3-bet on the flop I decide whether or not to SD based on villain and turn/river cards. But obviously if villain isn't known to spew if I raise flop and get 3-bet I'm going for be folding turn/river a decent portion of the time.
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:56 PM
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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

546 games 0.001 secs 546,000 games/sec

Board: Tc Td 6h 5s 2s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.143% 57.14% 00.00% 312 0.00 { 77 }
Hand 1: 42.857% 42.86% 00.00% 234 0.00 { 88+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+ }


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

724,680 games 0.005 secs 144,936,000 games/sec

Board: Tc 6d 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 66.315% 65.52% 00.79% 474811 5760.00 { ATo }
Hand 1: 33.685% 32.89% 00.79% 238349 5760.00 { 77+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+ }

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

564,300 games 0.004 secs 141,075,000 games/sec

Board: Tc 6d 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.916% 54.39% 00.53% 306921 2970.00 { 99 }
Hand 1: 45.084% 44.56% 00.53% 251439 2970.00 { 77+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+ }

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

552 games 0.005 secs 110,400 games/sec

Board: Tc 6d 5h 3d Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.109% 69.57% 00.54% 384 3.00 { 99 }
Hand 1: 29.891% 29.35% 00.54% 162 3.00 { 77+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+ }


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