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Old 09-21-2007, 10:26 AM
n1nj4.br n1nj4.br is offline
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Default nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

Utg seems decent, something like 22/18/4. btn is a donk with tagish stats. My image is loose agressive.

I would apreciate comments on all streets.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$1/$2 Blinds
4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $421.00
BB: $306.90
UTG: $197.00
BTN: $434.95

Preflop: Hero is dealt 4 A (4 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, BTN calls $8.00, Hero calls $7.00, BB folds

Flop: ($26) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $20.00</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $20.00

Turn: ($66) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $60.00</font>, Hero calls $60.00

River: ($186) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets all-in for $109.00</font>, Hero?
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Old 09-21-2007, 10:32 AM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

Fold flop or CRAI on turn
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Old 09-21-2007, 10:42 AM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

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Fold flop or CRAI on turn

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Old 09-21-2007, 10:44 AM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

P-flop: I would not call from the SB in this hand. I would eather fold or raise. If i raise, it would be to win the pot now and if UTG 3-bet, i would fold.

Flop:Your call on the flop very tricky cause your in a difficult position. It could be a c-bet thand in this case your in front but I don't see lots of hands your in front right now.

Turn:
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Old 09-21-2007, 10:50 AM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

Oups
Turn: It's your lucky card. I agree with eleventy, you should c-raise or fold there. I don't think the call gives you an edge in this spot. If you c-raise all-in, he would have a tough decision to make unless he's got a monster.

River:The card that gives str8 and flush but it's very unlikely. In this spot, what are the hands your beating and he could go all-in with it??? Maybe Aq or AJ if he's a bit loose. I really think your behind here. I would fold on the river. I give him the credit for AK, AA, KK or 1010. But my guess is AK
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:00 AM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

PF: Kind of a loose call OOP, but being 4 handed it could work.

F: C/C is good.

T: CRAI. You couldn't ask for a better card there.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:01 AM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

As played, call.

I don't like preflop.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:05 AM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

Ask yourself, Is this a bluff or a value bet?

You call big bets on the flop and turn, this would be a pretty crazy bluff. Possible, if he has nothing, he can't check with that much money in the pot.. I don' know, I have a hard time putting the guy on a bluff here.

This would be a very thin value bet on a board like that with one pair. What do you beat that value bets?
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:09 AM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

PF: I can see the call if you're OTB, but in the SB and OOP for the rest of the way, I'd fold. Being 4-handed and if you sense weakness though, I could also see raising here, but I'm not calling.

F: You did get the A, but I'm still thinking you're behind unless UTG is just on a CB. You can call here and see what happens on the turn.

T: What else could you ask for? If you're behind now, you were behind the whole way and should have just folded on the flop. I'd either CRAI or lead out for 3/4 the pot. I'm not check-calling here.

R: You came all this way, hit two pair on the turn, and UTG has been betting the whole way. I'm thinking you have to call the river bet. You could have also tried for a defensive bet on the river, but I doubt it would even work, pot is too big for UTG's small stack.

This is a great example on why position and taking control of the hand are something that you need to do in NLHE. The hand is played very passively by you. Take control on the turn and then dictate the action on the river.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:13 AM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

What is up with all the c/r turn talk? Standard case of 'only getting called if beat'.
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