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#21
12-12-2006, 01:33 PM
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Re: 50/100 river bluff raise vs Gus Hansen
His lack of flop bet likely had something to do with it never folding a better hand, never getting called by worse, real chance of c/r bluff on this board etc.
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#23
12-12-2006, 03:17 PM
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Re: 50/100 river bluff raise vs Gus Hansen
This play doesn't have to work too often to make it a successfull play. If someone value bets thin, especially in Omaha, you should be re- raising a lot of rivers as bluffs.
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#24
12-12-2006, 03:21 PM
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Re: 50/100 river bluff raise vs Gus Hansen
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This play doesn't have to work too often to make it a successfull play. If someone value bets thin, especially in Omaha, you should be re- raising a lot of rivers as bluffs. [/ QUOTE ] That bit of advice is exactly what the LAG player who value-bets thin is looking for. A good player, which we can assume Gus is, will adjust to being raised on the river multiple times and then make you pay for it by tightening up. Bluff raises on the river, though oftentimes effective, should be used VERY sparingly.
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#25
12-12-2006, 04:58 PM
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Re: 50/100 river bluff raise vs Gus Hansen
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[ QUOTE ] This play doesn't have to work too often to make it a successfull play. If someone value bets thin, especially in Omaha, you should be re- raising a lot of rivers as bluffs. [/ QUOTE ] That bit of advice is exactly what the LAG player who value-bets thin is looking for. A good player, which we can assume Gus is, will adjust to being raised on the river multiple times and then make you pay for it by tightening up. Bluff raises on the river, though oftentimes effective, should be used VERY sparingly. [/ QUOTE ] Its probably a good thing if you make Gus adjust by tightening up on the river. So it looks like you agree with me. Once Gus adjusts his river betting frequency you can make the adjustments by river reraise bluffing less.
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#26
12-12-2006, 05:44 PM
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Re: 50/100 river bluff raise vs Gus Hansen
Then when you river re-rasie bluff less, the cycle starts all over again. Its not as if a good player makes one adjustment per session then calls it quits afterwards. I think the best way to deal with a player like Gus is to just tighten up with calling/raising hands post-flop so you don't have to make these sorts of decisions on the river.
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#27
12-12-2006, 05:52 PM
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Re: 50/100 river bluff raise vs Gus Hansen
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Then when you river re-rasie bluff less, the cycle starts all over again. [/ QUOTE ] Welcome to game theory.
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#28
12-12-2006, 06:30 PM
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Re: 50/100 river bluff raise vs Gus Hansen
Wouldn't you agree the higher the frequency somebody bets the river, the higher the frequency you should bluff raise these bets ceteris paribus.
And even if the player was very good at hand reading I don't think this would change much.
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#30
12-13-2006, 12:52 AM
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Re: 50/100 river bluff raise vs Gus Hansen
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If someone value bets thin, especially in Omaha, you should be re- raising a lot of rivers as bluffs. [/ QUOTE ] Hmm, not sure I completely agree. If he bets thin but won't fold, then bluffing doesn't make much sense for example. Seems like if all your know for sure is "value bets thin" then all you can say for sure is "widen your calling range". i might argue you should in fact bluff a narrower range but valuebet a wider one vs. a thin betting/heavy calling guy like Gus And my math says his bluffraise needs to work 2 times in 3 to be profitable in this instance which the nit in me would characterize as more than "too often" -g
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