CP 30

[NinaWilliams]

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I fold the flop, 14:1 doesn't seem enough for 2 backdoor draws.

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It's kinda hard to read the action but I thought we were getting like 20:1 closing the action.

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is 20:1 good enough for what is the likely equivelent of a 2-out draw? On the bright side the implied odds are good but with a table texture like this your not going to get an extra raise in on the river if you get there with either of the backdoor draws - top pair is almost never good. I muck this.

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Our implied odds are actually pretty bad since we pick up a draw a lot on the turn and have to fold when we brick the river. I really hate the flop peel.

lol @ river. Even more so because a guy that will bluff into this many people will also think its a good idea to bluff w K high.

[dcb777]

I would fold the flop and if I got to the river I would fold there too.

[mongidig]

This flop call is bad. 7 people are sticking around to see the turn on a rainbow dry board. Pretty good chance someone has an Ace. If they don't have an Ace then they are going to be in there with hands like 8T, J9, Q9 etc which means your Q and J outs are very dirty. You have a backdoor flush draw but to the third nut. Plus you have some reverse implied odds if you catch a J or a Q on the turn and you go on to loose which you will happen quite often. Also, as mentioned, your implied odds aren't great those times you do go runner runner.

If I think the villian is FOS on the river I believe I would raise instead of call just in case. However, I think this an easy fold unless you had some sort of miracle read.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

I do prefer the river check raise if you REALLY want to play some inspired poker.

[StrictlyStrategy]

I would never fold anything I could bet on the river here after getting checkraised.

[MitchL]

I dont think we win here much at all but this guy is getting very good odds to bluff this river and though it looks like a retarded bluff its obvious we arent dealing with a good player here. When the turn and river check through a bad player should feel inclined to bluff. I dont mind looking him up when there are two obvious hands that a loose player could play like this (86 T8).

[seminole0884]

Dunno how Q high call is anything but an attempt at heroism.



He knows you as opener are always calling your medium pp's on river after calling flop. Any scared Ax that checked turn is calling and probably all 9's as well.

As fivesense said, those F-it I'm getting ~15:1 calls do add up.

I agree w/others, fold flop.

Maybe he mucked, and thats the reason for the post, IDK.

[MitchL]

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Dunno how Q high call is anything but an attempt at heroism.



He knows you as opener are always calling your medium pp's on river after calling flop. Any scared Ax that checked turn is calling and probably all 9's as well.

As fivesense said, those F-it I'm getting ~15:1 calls do add up.

I agree w/others, fold flop.

Maybe he mucked, and thats the reason for the post, IDK.

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Those calls add up when you make them against players who wouldnt be bluffing 1 time in 15, but you cannot say that an bad playerwould not be bluffing 1 time in 15 here. It would be different if we had a hard time putting him on bluffing hands we beat that he would play like this, but such is not the case here.

[KitCloudkicker]

river call is +EV imo, for reasons mitch gave.

[sirlurkalot]

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I would fold the flop and if I got to the river I would fold there too.

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Exactly!