"Nut Peddling"? PLO/8

[Buzz]

Mr. Roy Boy - There are several successful styles for playing Omaha-8.

"Nut peddling" is one of them and probably the easiest to understand.

In the purest sense, a nut peddler <ul type="square">• (1) only plays starting hands that have an excellent chance to end up containing the best possible two-card combination on the river,
• (2) folds all other starting hands before the flop,
• (3) continues after the flop only with hands containing a two card combination that is likely to end up the best possible two-card combination on the river,
• (4) bets or raises with the nuts, and
• (5) folds to a bet without them.[/list]We all peddle the nuts when we get them, but those of us who are not nut peddlers don't necessarily fold without them.

Typically when a nut peddler voluntarily sees the flop, it is with<ul type="square">• A2YZ
• A3YZ-suited ace, and or
• AAYZ[/list]Playing those hands alone, and maybe a few others (KKQQ, KKA4, AHHH), you're voluntarily playing roughly only one of every ten hands dealt to you. And then you get your money in when you have the nuts.

Basically, that is nut peddling.

The problem with nut peddling is when you only play one hand out of ten, your astute opponents only need one round of the table to recognize what you are doing and tentatively put you on one of the three hand types listed above whenever you enter the action.

Everybody is going to play those three hand types listed above. But if someone is voluntarily playing three hands out of ten, then he only has one of those hands about one third of the time. It's much more difficult to put someone on cards who is voluntarily seeing the flop with 30% of hands dealt than someone who is voluntarily seeing the flop with 10% of hands dealt.

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It appears to me that "nut peddling" as you guys call it is simply proper play for PLO/8.

[/ QUOTE ]In my humble opinion, you should be able to successfully nut pedal. I consider nut peddling a developmental stage. Sometimes I revert to it as a way of switching gears. I think almost anyone could eke out a small profit doing it.

However, it’s not the optimal way to play the game if your opponents are able to cope with it. Nut peddling, as you might expect, is very common in casinos. And anyone who plays much in a casino is able to cope with nut peddling opponents. Even so, good nut peddlers will still eke out a small, steady profit.

And you should definitely be able to successfully nut pedal.

But (except as part of a changing gears strategy) what a boring way to play the game! And if many at the table nut pedal, much like short stacking, it kills the game.

Buzz

[spike420211]

roy---
boring or not, this kind of play comes in handy in:
1&gt; the first couple of orbits in a cash game w/ folks u
never played before [especially if you're moving up in
limits]
2&gt; very early stages of an mtt [same criteria as #1 applies
3&gt; very late stages of an mtt or an sng when you've got a
short stack

and most importantly:
4&gt; using that device under the plus sign, so you can charge
your laptop batteries just like Dave Breal [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[PokrLikeItsProse]

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• (3) continues after the flop only with hands containing a two card combination that is likely to end up the best possible two-card combination on the river,
• (4) bets or raises with the nuts, and
• (5) folds to a bet without them.[/list]
How would a nut peddler play a strong two-draw which is not a made hand in either direction?

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I think almost anyone could eke out a small profit doing it.


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Are there stakes above which you feel this statement no longer holds true?

[davebreal]

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Are there stakes above which you feel this statement no longer holds true?

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Many of the biggers games only take place in 6max, and sometimes those don't even fill in completely.

[Phat Mack]

This is an excellent description.

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• A2YZ
• A3YZ-suited ace, and or
• AAYZ

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Heh, I know guys who won't play without an A2, another wheel card, and the ace suited. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Buzz, I'm going to be in LA the weekend of Dec 7-10. If you want to get together for some O8, PM me. (I've lost your number.)

Mack

[Borys313]

So you guys say it is actually corect to bet without the nuts?

[Buzz]

Hi Borys - The next time you sit in a game, for one random round of the table, keep track of the number of times a hand that is the nuts wins compared to the number of times a hand that is actually not the nuts wins.

I think your question will answer itself.

Buzz

[davebreal]

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Hi Borys - The next time you sit in a game, for one random round of the table, keep track of the number of times a hand that is the nuts wins compared to the number of times a hand that is actually not the nuts wins.

I think your question will answer itself.

Buzz

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Borys is being sarcastic.

i've played with him online, his play can be described as semi-maniacal... but with some method to his madness.

[Buzz]

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Borys is being sarcastic.

[/ QUOTE ]Thanks Dave - I thought that was probably the case.

But people still read some of those books with the bad advice.

Buzz

[franknagaijr]

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So you guys say it is actually corect to bet without the nuts?

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You're saying you've never observed a river come high, not filling any obvious draws, and bet with very little other than a feeling that your opponents have bricked?