Calling raises with suited connectors...theory question

[HoldenFoldem]

I often see big pots won in high stakes games , and the winner is holding suited connectors. Truthfully, i don't recall whether he raised first in with them or jsut called down a raise and caught a good hand.

Is it correct to call raises IN POSITION with these types of hands ie 89s, 78d, J,10h ?????

I have tried it some time ago, with some success, but i was not convinced it was a sound thing to do longer term,as you seldom caught a hand, and then often couldn't get paid off with it.

Thoughts please...

[Saviour_Flare]

In position it is correct to call a single raise yes. Of course the more players and the larger the stacks the more inclined you should be to call. I find that it is much more profitable when you have 2-3 people already in the pot as you are more likely to be paid off.

[Saviour_Flare]

good question though.

[Worm75]

Most high stakes players consider the value of SC's not so much in the ability of these hands to make nut crakers, but in the fact that when you add these hands into your standard raises from all positions, it makes it much more difficult for villains to put you on a hand range...

Thus your big hands get:

A: More action vs thinking opponents, since a raise UTG is no longer AJs+,AQo,+TT+, thus they will often be willing to 3-bet you with worse holdings in pos.

B: Thinking villains also have a much harder time putting you on a hand, making them have to play more marginal spots vs you, for ex

you hold KK and open for a standard raise UTG

Standard Tag flat calls from the CO with 99.

Flop comes all under cards and you lead for 3/4 pot.

If villain can put you on a pretty specific hand range, he is able to get away from this hand fairly easily here, even in no overcards come on the turn or river, but when you add SC's here, our hand range becomes much wider, thus villain is forced to play a marginal hand here in a situation that could put his stack in play.

Boosted J did an article for bluff I believe, about his theory of JBucks, and the value that SC's add to your game by raising them from all positions....don't have the link, but look it up and print it out and then spend a couple of days digesting it, it will really open your eyes to some things that can make a huge difference in your game at higher levels.

[FishSticks]

There is a post out there somewhere called something like "Implied Odds, Suited Connectors, and YOU". Maybe it's stickied, idk. Find that post.

[orange]

i rarely cold call a raise with SCs in pos. rr or fold.

[FishSticks]

Some other stuff...

Cold calling a ton in general isn't so great, but an SC in position is good against a few types. If villain is kind of mindless and will cbet everything and shut down, you can flop all sorts of good and bad draws and float or bluffraise with them and take advantage of his nittiness. If villain just can't fold his overpairs to those big river bets on raggy/scary boards, it's another good spot to play.

If it's a tough opponent who will 2barrel a lot and never pays off when the obvious draws hit, then it's not very great anymore.

Hell I 3bet them in position once in a while against people I play with alot, just to mix things up and mess with their ranging of me.

[Fonkey123]

Depends on how weak of a player I view villain, and stack sizes. The weaker he is, and the deeper I am increases how likely I am to CC with them exponentially.

[pokerchap]

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i rarely cold call a raise with SCs in pos. rr or fold.

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orange...why?

[FishSticks]

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