WTF at a guy knocking out a girl right in front of me...

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so when i was like 17 i saw this neighborhood ho buy some dope. i then saw this dude tell her like 5 times to give it to him...shes like no [censored] you etc...dudes like im gonna [censored] you up if you dont hand it over, she doesnt and he nailed her right in the jaw, knocked out some teeth and took the dope. this dude robbed EVERYBODY and this chick knows that. if it was a a guy he wouldn't of even asked, he would have just hit the dude....

none of the people i was with (or me) did anything and i didn't feel like i should have either. he gave her ample time and she didn't produce. am i correct here, or should i feel bad?

[johnnylovescandy]

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How can a guy just coldcock a girl like that?

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Just wait until Hillary gets elected in 2008 - everyone's in for some cold [censored]...

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michaelson,

Having been hit hard by girls before i find your views quite disturbing. Just because the creature has a vagina does not entitle her to do whatever she wants with no consequences. A girl once smacked me extremely hard at a party cause she was drunk and i said something she didnt like. She of course is allowed to get away with this because she is hot and if i even step towards her all the d-bags like you are going to step up trying to fight me because "oh dude thats a female you dont hit females." To clarify, i dont think the guy should have hit the girl, but the girl should be prepared to be hit back if she hits someone. Would it matter if it was an NFL lineman vs. a 110 pound guy? if that happened guys like you would just be like "oh this dude got his ass kicked it was awesome." The fact of the matter is in both cases a defenseless human being was brutally attacked. What if it was a female body builder vs. a 110 pound guy? does it matter then? Are you going to be jumping to the "girls" defense even though she clearly has a physical advantage? No one should be hitting anyone over a verbal argument is the point, and if you decide to hit someone expect to be hit back. Just because you have a vagina does not make you exempt from this rule. If you attack someone expect them to defend themselves and attack you back, gender does not matter.

[JayTee]

I call BS

[Michaelson]

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michaelson,

Having been hit hard by girls before i find your views quite disturbing. Just because the creature has a vagina does not entitle her to do whatever she wants with no consequences. A girl once smacked me extremely hard at a party cause she was drunk and i said something she didnt like. She of course is allowed to get away with this because she is hot and if i even step towards her all the d-bags like you are going to step up trying to fight me because "oh dude thats a female you dont hit females." To clarify, i dont think the guy should have hit the girl, but the girl should be prepared to be hit back if she hits someone. Would it matter if it was an NFL lineman vs. a 110 pound guy? if that happened guys like you would just be like "oh this dude got his ass kicked it was awesome." The fact of the matter is in both cases a defenseless human being was brutally attacked. What if it was a female body builder vs. a 110 pound guy? does it matter then? Are you going to be jumping to the "girls" defense even though she clearly has a physical advantage? No one should be hitting anyone over a verbal argument is the point, and if you decide to hit someone expect to be hit back. Just because you have a vagina does not make you exempt from this rule. If you attack someone expect them to defend themselves and attack you back, gender does not matter.

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I allowed for the possibility that the guy was suitably provoked to snap.

Pretending that my views are exclusively founded on the fact that women have special rights because they have a vagina is disingenuous, and the examples you went on to cite are ludicrous. If I saw a linebacker beating the [censored] out of some skinny dude I would be appalled. I'd feel similarly about a female bodybuilder beating up a small guy. Someone else brought up the example of a midget, and guess what, once again I'd find it pretty appalling to see a grown man beating on a midget.

In cases of violence by men against women, though, the fact is that when it comes to size, strength and aggression men overwhelmingly have the upper hand. I don't go in for blanket rules that cover all scenarios, and yes maybe this guy was suitably provoked. What is disturbing is the crew of people who assume that he was, based on the fact that he was slapped first. That's just weaksauce. On every thread about domestic violence I've come accross on these boards (not that we even know this case falls under that category), there's always a crew of people willing to jump in and give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Well usually in these threads facts are scarce, and as such it would be stupid to declare with too much confidence who was in the right or wrong either way, but assuming fault on the woman's part without good reason is just a losing proposition. Domestic abuse is overwhelmingly directed towards women by men, and even if you account for some skewing of statistics because of the way it is reported, that still remains the case. That people can look at the facts outlined in the OP and speculate with any confidence that the woman had it coming I find really objectionable.

[AlexM]

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meh, I think there's a difference due to intent. When a girl slaps a guy, she's not trying to hurt him. She's trying to disrespect him.

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That's pure BS.

Also, try going up to random guys on the street and spitting on them and see how long before someone punches you.

[Nevanotag]

okay michaelson, i can agree with MOST of what you said, except for the part about the girl smacking the boy. Have you ever been smacked really hard by a girl? To the point that your jaw is sore the next day? Lets pretend your at a party and everything is cool and your talking to this girl in a group. You say something to her in a teasing way thinking it would be funny or flirty and she, being somewhat drunk and aggressive, decides to smack you extremely hard. Now the girl is really hot and theres a lot of guys around that would just love to play "knight in shining armor" for her. What do you do? My guess is nothing, you walk away and leave the party right, because really what can you do? and thats my point are you saying that girls should be allowed to smack boys whenever and however hard that they want and noone should EVER hit them back? There are girls that do this to boys KNOWING that they wont do anything back because they are hot and guys like you are ready to jump in and "save the day" for them. So tell me michealson, in the party scenario everything is cool, you make a comment, drunk hot girl decides to smack the daylights out of you, what do you do?

[Michaelson]

In general terms if that happened to me I'd probably say a few words and walk away, but I haven't been in any fight with anyone since primary school, and in fact I've convinced some pretty aggro friends to walk away from what would have been 'fair' fights where they were the ones provoked, so I'm no great authority on the matter.

But look, I'm not going down the hypotheticals path. Apart from anything I'm not sure I really see the relevance. Some girls exploit their 'untouchable' status? Ah well, they're bitches, no need to knock their teeth out, just avoid them.

[Thug Bubbles]

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Am I the only person who doesn't try and fight the guy because she hit first? I hate double standards.

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I definitely agree that her hitting first means she got what she asked for. The guy's still a jerk though.

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[censored] there are some disgusting views expressed in this thread, and others like it on 2+2 in general.

The facts as they are presented in OP: -animosity exists between guy and girl who are staring each other down.
-the guy, approximately 6'2" and 210 lbs, approaches the girl.
-she slaps him.
-he hits her with full force in the face and knocks her to the ground.
-he appears to contemplate kicking the crap out of her while she's on the ground.

Now, granted, there are a select few sets of cirumstances where the guy's actions might have been, if not excusable, somewhat understandable. Maybe she set about hitting on some raw nerve with him and he just snapped. It's possible. I think there's a far larger set of circumstances that involve the guy being a huge douchebag who likes to exercise the physical dominance he has over his woman, but you know, in principle it is at least possible that his actions are not deserving of blanket condemnation.

What is so horrid, though, is that there are people who think that because she supposedly innitiated it with a slap (even though OP states that she slapped him after he stepped towards her), that the guy is justified to respond by beating her down. It really is just sickening hearing that sentiment expressed.

By the way, jlocdog, I think you handled it well.

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I never said the guy's behavior was remotely excusable, I was just saying that I don't have much sympathy for women who hit guys. I did very clearly say, "The guy's still a jerk though." Another way to phrase what I said would be, "Her behavior doesn't make me feel much sympathy, but the guy's behavior is inexcusable regardless."

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The problem is that you don't know if the guy is a jerk, or if she deserved it, but you assume that he didn't ask for a slap, and say that a punch is an appropriate reaction.

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No, I did not say that a punch was an appropriate reaction. Stop reading stuff into my post that I didn't say.

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How is that anything other than saying a punch is an appropriate reaction?

You don't know why she slapped him. They could have had previous history, or he could have said something that deserved a slap. Either way, you EXPLICITLY stated that she "got what she deserved". Nobody is reading into anything.

[Rushmore]

"Coldcocked?"

I do not intend to defend this douche, but he ceertainly didn't coldcock anyone.

Did you forget she had slapped him?