assani

[NT!]

well should you really be so quick on the trigger with a long-time, highly respected mod, when you can't even pay enough attention to the relatively low-traffic mod forum to know that another mod did something very similar WITHOUT checking in with the forum first and getting encouragement from several mods?

[Ryan Beal]

[ QUOTE ]
even acknowledging when other mods clearly step out of line

[/ QUOTE ]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=12516650


[ QUOTE ]
well should you really be so quick on the trigger

[/ QUOTE ]

I wasn't.

[NT!]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
even acknowledging when other mods clearly step out of line

[/ QUOTE ]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=12516650

[/ QUOTE ]

this isn't about stepping out of line, this is you not liking the lines that others have set.

[Ryan Beal]

It's pretty clear to me that it is?

[NT!]

in that thread you are complaining about the way mods are using the discretion that has been given to them by 2p2. in this thread and the jim kuhn thread, we are talking about breaking (or not breaking) one of the few rules that have actually been firmly established for mods. they are two different things.

things like subjective standards for banning or practices around inappropriate locations are things that we discuss here often, and having a consistent policy depends on mods paying attention. yeti follows these discussions and pays attention to what other mods think. jim kuhn apparently doesn't follow them closely at all because he was unaware of a very common precedent concerning locations, and also unaware of what words are censored on 2p2. and you apparently follow them even less because you didn't even know the discussion took place.

and somehow yeti is removed as a mod while jim kuhn is never even reprimanded.

(i think jim is a pretty good mod btw and have no desire to see him get removed, it just illustrates how out of touch this decision is on your part).

[ajmargarine]

[ QUOTE ]
Thing is I didn't overreact.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm glad your ban thread was linked Ryan, saves me searching for it. I agree with you when you talk a bit about the banhappiness that some of us mods have. And I agree that we need to work on that as mods. But, don't you see the parallel:

Regular Poster:

1. Makes bad decision
2. Breaks rule
3. No history of being out of line.
4. Gets banned.

Mod:

1. Makes bad decision
2. Breaks rule
3. No history of being out of line.
4. Gets permabanned from being a mod, demodded.

It seems the exact thing that you would like us to get better at as mods is the thing that you are doing here as an admin.

[NT!]

aj,

exactly.

[nation]

bottom line is people need to stop abusing their ability to ban users. this whole "i'm annoyed by this poster, therefore he's trolling and needs a timeout" is ludicrous and is the definition of abuse of mod "powers".

i don't have anything against yeti fwiw, but i hate that assani got banned at all just for posting some numbers at the end of his posts.

[NT!]

it has been pretty clearly explained how 'i am annoyed by this guy therefore ban' is not what happened here at all. if you don't think assani is trolling by doing that, fine, valid opinion, but there are plenty of us here who think that type of trolling is permitted far too much on this site, and mods should use their discretion more than they already do to stop it.

[Ryan Beal]

Well, not that it entirely applies here, but I do believe mods should be held to a higher standard when it comes to following specific rules like that. I also didn't take away Yeti's ability to post.

I say that it doesn't quite apply because the wording in Mat's sticky is pretty plain about losing mods.