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Re: 3-bet pot AI decision NL 100
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I agree to a call here (although I don't think it's that obvious) but would like opinions on TT and 99. When do you think our equity becomes too small, which OP do you start folding here? [/ QUOTE ] We need about 34% equity to make the call. We get close to that with a range like this : Hand 0: 32.905% 30.53% 02.38% 51678 4027.50 { JJ } Hand 1: 67.095% 64.72% 02.38% 109557 4027.50 { TT+, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, KdQd } But if we take out TT we are never better then 20%.So we hope here he does this with a pp smaller than JJ or some bluff ? |
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Re: 3-bet pot AI decision NL 100
AK bluffing, yeah. I'm just curious because I would fold TT here and super-insta call with QQ. Whether this is sound or not I don't know, I'd just draw the line with JJ and am wondering what the worst hand others are calling here with is and why.
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I know its not a reliable tell, but how fast did he shove? Like, I doubt he instashoves here with TT, JJ or even QQ.
Even with great odds I think this is a fold. Against JJ+ and two overs with a FD (AQhh AKhh) you are about 25/75. |
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Re: 3-bet pot AI decision NL 100
easy snap call? 66 and 55 not an option? I mean, it's generally not the situation, but ...
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Re: 3-bet pot AI decision NL 100
From my experience on party, AA and KK here would be very rare. I don't even remember the last time I've seen someone slowplay either of them unless it was a fish just limping in pf.
Edit: My image is nothing crazy, taggy 19/16 although I may 3bet more than your average guy at these stakes. Edit 2: I don't remember how long he took to shove, multitabling... |
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I know its not a reliable tell, but how fast did he shove? Like, I doubt he instashoves here with TT, JJ or even QQ. Even with great odds I think this is a fold. Against JJ+ and two overs with a FD (AQhh AKhh) you are about 25/75. [/ QUOTE ] I see posts like this all the time. Maybe you are right, maybe not. But I'm pretty sure I have never seen a reg fold JJ in a spot like this, ever. In villains spot, I shove a lot of hands, and a lot of bluffs, especially vs. ppl who 3-bet a bit liberally. And when I shove, I'm never thinking "Maybe he'll fold JJ", lol. I just have my doubts that any of you who advocate a fold here ever actually do it at the table. And by the way, I snap call because I 3-bet just light enough to piss people off and get bluff-shoved on a lot, and because I am a station. |
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We need about 34% equity to make the call. We get close to that with a range like this : Hand 0: 32.905% 30.53% 02.38% 51678 4027.50 { JJ } Hand 1: 67.095% 64.72% 02.38% 109557 4027.50 { TT+, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, KdQd } But if we take out TT we are never better then 20%.So we hope here he does this with a pp smaller than JJ or some bluff ? [/ QUOTE ] This range is too wide IMO. You won't see KK-AA here often at all, and you won't see AdJd because we hold the Jd. I think the range is more like: Board: 6s 5d 2d Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 49.223% 45.59% 03.64% 7221 576.00 { QQ-TT, AdKd, AdQd, KdQd } Hand 1: 50.777% 47.14% 03.64% 7467 576.00 { JdJh } Which makes it an easy call. |
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Re: 3-bet pot AI decision NL 100
"You wont see KK-AA here often at all"
umm, what? |
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"You wont see KK-AA here often at all" umm, what? [/ QUOTE ] Are you implying players at this limit don't often 4-bet AA/KK from UTG? |
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Re: 3-bet pot AI decision NL 100
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[ QUOTE ] We need about 34% equity to make the call. We get close to that with a range like this : Hand 0: 32.905% 30.53% 02.38% 51678 4027.50 { JJ } Hand 1: 67.095% 64.72% 02.38% 109557 4027.50 { TT+, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, KdQd } But if we take out TT we are never better then 20%.So we hope here he does this with a pp smaller than JJ or some bluff ? [/ QUOTE ] This range is too wide IMO. You won't see KK-AA here often at all, and you won't see AdJd because we hold the Jd. I think the range is more like: Board: 6s 5d 2d Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 49.223% 45.59% 03.64% 7221 576.00 { QQ-TT, AdKd, AdQd, KdQd } Hand 1: 50.777% 47.14% 03.64% 7467 576.00 { JdJh } Which makes it an easy call. [/ QUOTE ] Why can't he have KK/AA often?There is no rule you have to 4bet AA/KK PF every time. My mistake for putting AJ there but I still don't think we should call this .I think we still hope be does this with something smaller than TT or some bluff to make this a call |
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