2/4 mid pair

popesc · #1 05-25-2006, 12:52 AM

I used to limp with my middle pairs and play them for set value if the table was loose enough, but I had a downswing and decided to shake up my game.

Villian is 26/5/1 after only 25 hands, so I don't have much of a read.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 :#A500AF(Villian(26/5/1))/ calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, MP1 :#A500AF(Villian(26/5/1))/ calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villian(26/5/1) checks, Hero bets, Villian(26/5/1) calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villian(26/5/1) checks, Hero ...

Question: Should I check or bet here?
I'll post the river later if there is interest.

sharpie · #2 05-25-2006, 12:59 AM

Bet. He could have a flush draw or maybe made a loose call with something like AJ. A lower pocket pair is also possible.

crablegs33 · #3 05-25-2006, 01:15 AM

fire off again... i'd use the river card and villain's wtsd% to determine if i'd fire again on the river if checked to... if villain shows any aggression here on the turn or donk's the river, i fold UI

popesc · #4 05-25-2006, 01:21 AM

What range should I put villian on?

Any two broadway + suited connectors?
Any two suited?

Random?

sharpie · #5 05-25-2006, 01:25 AM

Any 2 clubs that you think a 26/5 open limps with in MP1, lower pockets, hands like AJ/AT are possibilities, and also A6s. Obviously he can have Kx/66 or something like AQ, but it's an easy fold to a raise.

popesc · #6 05-25-2006, 01:51 AM

Since the board is very draw heavy, and I don't think I've ever been able to get somebody with a draw to fold at 2/4, do you think there is any merit in checking with a plan on calling the river? Or is that just weak-tight thinking?

Edit: I'm going to sleep now, I'll reply in the morning.

JacksonTens · #7 05-25-2006, 02:54 AM

Bet turn, Bet river if he's fishy.

You have to bet this turn.

JT

sharpie · #8 05-25-2006, 03:14 AM

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Since the board is very draw heavy, and I don't think I've ever been able to get somebody with a draw to fold at 2/4, do you think there is any merit in checking with a plan on calling the river? Or is that just weak-tight thinking?

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You do realize you make money when he calls a bet on the turn with a draw even if he's correct in doing so? You make nothing when he decides to not bluff his busted draw on the river.

Aces McGee · #9 05-25-2006, 09:35 AM

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Since the board is very draw heavy, and I don't think I've ever been able to get somebody with a draw to fold at 2/4, do you think there is any merit in checking with a plan on calling the river? Or is that just weak-tight thinking?

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It's very important that you stop thinking this way. I'm not sure how long you've been playing, but it's a mistake a lot of new players make. You're not betting to FOLD the draws; you're betting to CHARGE the draws. You can't often get a flush draw to fold in a limit game (no matter what the limit), but to make up for the times that you lose the pot when your opponent's flush does get there, you need to collect a bet on the turn that you won't often get from him on the river.

-McGee

James. · #10 05-25-2006, 09:41 AM

bet the turn, check the river UI usually. el standardo.