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#32
03-24-2007, 02:10 PM
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Re: Neat flop spot kinda deep 5k PLO
I like to crai these kinds of flops.
If it goes c/c, then I'd usually pot bricks and make 1/2 PSB if I catch on a non flush card, PSB if it comes a flush(draw) card. As played I would just call and c/f river UI. 
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#33
03-24-2007, 02:29 PM
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Re: Neat flop spot kinda deep 5k PLO
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[ QUOTE ] I am a little surprised by liddl's holdings. but nice hand, too bad it didn't pan out. [/ QUOTE ] huh? [/ QUOTE ] liddl had the nut straight to go with his two pairs on the flop and he didn't raise.
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#34
03-24-2007, 04:38 PM
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Re: Neat flop spot kinda deep 5k PLO
I probably would have just potted this on the flop as a standard play and occasionally given a weak lead to get someone to go over the top. The goal should definitely be to get all the money in on the flop though. The idea that someone would consider folding this is ridiculous.
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#35
03-24-2007, 08:22 PM
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Re: Neat flop spot kinda deep 5k PLO
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I probably would have just potted this on the flop as a standard play and occasionally given a weak lead to get someone to go over the top. The goal should definitely be to get all the money in on the flop though. The idea that someone would consider folding this is ridiculous. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree with this advice. The issue is whether enough of our outs are dead to justify folding. I don't think there are. Given that there are two people interested in the pot, either we are chopping often (similar draw to ours) or up against a set as well as was the case. We are definately behind and like never have fold equity against a better hand. I think flat call is best. Fold turn if board pairs. They will put us all in if it doens't so our decision is easy and we call.
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#37
03-25-2007, 04:14 AM
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Re: Neat flop spot kinda deep 5k PLO
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I am a little surprised by liddl's holdings. but nice hand, too bad it didn't pan out. [/ QUOTE ] huh? [/ QUOTE ] liddl had the nut straight to go with his two pairs on the flop and he didn't raise. [/ QUOTE ]perhaps because he wanted ylloretard to or c/r ai?
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#38
03-25-2007, 02:57 PM
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Re: Neat flop spot kinda deep 5k PLO
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I am a little surprised by liddl's holdings. but nice hand, too bad it didn't pan out. [/ QUOTE ] huh? [/ QUOTE ] liddl had the nut straight to go with his two pairs on the flop and he didn't raise. [/ QUOTE ]perhaps because he wanted ylloretard to or c/r ai? [/ QUOTE ] nice post, thanks for your deep insight
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#39
03-25-2007, 03:17 PM
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Re: Neat flop spot kinda deep 5k PLO
It's a silly call by him because he only wants a 2,3,4,5,6, T, or J to fall. And if the J or T fall he likely loses action and if anything else falls he's sandwiched and in basically the worst situation possible.
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#40
03-26-2007, 07:01 PM
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Re: Neat flop spot kinda deep 5k PLO
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I disagree with this advice. The issue is whether enough of our outs are dead to justify folding. I don't think there are. Given that there are two people interested in the pot, either we are chopping often (similar draw to ours) or up against a set as well as was the case. We are definately behind and like never have fold equity against a better hand. I think flat call is best. Fold turn if board pairs. They will put us all in if it doens't so our decision is easy and we call. [/ QUOTE ] How are you coming up with this ridiculously tight hand range? This is a 4-handed game. OP decided to check because he thought one of the players would be betting the vast majority of the time, regardless of their hands. Obviously, if he thought that they'd be checking anything but a set or a straight, he would have just bet out on the flop for the size of the pot. We could easily be up against someone taking a stab with a one pair hand or complete air and someone calling with two pair or a naked KQ. There are tons of hands that we're beating right now or have more than 12 outs against. Check/calling with a high wrap and an overpair is absolutely terrible here. If you play that nitty, your opponents will be able to read you like a book, and you'll get completely run over in an aggressive game.
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