Overcall KJo

[TomBrooks]

Calling is a bad idea.

Edit: above is understated.

[Oink]

Raise for value and to shut out UTG.

CO likely has a K but since he didnt raise PF we can discount AK and to a lesser extend KQ. All sorts of weaker hands like Tx and QJ are in his range as well.

BTN is not likely to have a AK or KQ since he would have raised. My guess is HERO has BTN beat a lot here.

So in short raise for value and punish CO and BTN.

Oh and you can NEVER fold here if that is what you are thinking.

[AlexM]

Easy raise. If you're not going to raise this, you should have bet out. If you're not going to do either of those, you should fold PF, which would be absurdly tight.

[sylar]

if you are putting the two fishy players on just about anything there, i would consider it essential to drive BTN out of the hand and take it three-handed. resistance from BTN will also give you a chance to fold

[Bilgefisher]

fwiw. I played this hand absolutly horribly. Part of the reason I put it up.

After I c/c and utg raised I put utg on 2 pair, mostly because this is the exact line he used a couple hands prior. In a previous hand utg cc 56o preflop, spiked 2 pair and played the same way. Weak read, but its all I had to go by.

Preflop: Hero is Big blind with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button raises, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls, CO calls

Flop: (8.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG raises, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls

Turn: (8.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG bets, CO calls, Button folds, Hero calls

River: (11.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG bets, CO folds, Hero calls

Final Pot: $12.6

Results in white below:
<font color="#FFFFFF">UTG has 8s Tc (Two Pair, tens and eights)

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[Blue Lagoon]

getting 15 to 1, I think the flop call is ok. Then I bet the turn and hope that UTG raises to protect my hand against CO and Button.
But I am not sure, maybe we should fold.

...
Well, I just watch the result... I was really inclined to bet the turn because UTG (fishy player) could limp with T8s preflop.
And against bottom two pair, you have a lot of outs. (2 K, 3 J, 3 sixes, 3 sevens).
The pot is big and you want that CO and Btn fold.

[Blue Lagoon]

I dont know if we have to call the river bet.

Any thoughts?

[Nick C]

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I dont know if we have to call the river bet.

Any thoughts?

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We're getting 12:1 and don't have enough of a read on UTG to know he wouldn't play QJ this way. Or maybe he has a king and planned to checkraise the preflop raiser and followed through even after the bet came from somewhere else.

But, yeah, we're probably screwed. That flop checkraise is scary.

[LuckyLucky]

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getting 15 to 1, I think the flop call is ok. Then I bet the turn and hope that UTG raises to protect my hand against CO and Button.
But I am not sure, maybe we should fold.

...
Well, I just watch the result... I was really inclined to bet the turn because UTG (fishy player) could limp with T8s preflop.
And against bottom two pair, you have a lot of outs. (2 K, 3 J, 3 sixes, 3 sevens).
The pot is big and you want that CO and Btn fold.

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You only have 8 outs. The 3 sevens aren't outs. I don't know if this changes your advice. I'm inclined to think it doesn't, but just in case....

[Blue Lagoon]

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getting 15 to 1, I think the flop call is ok. Then I bet the turn and hope that UTG raises to protect my hand against CO and Button.
But I am not sure, maybe we should fold.

...
Well, I just watch the result... I was really inclined to bet the turn because UTG (fishy player) could limp with T8s preflop.
And against bottom two pair, you have a lot of outs. (2 K, 3 J, 3 sixes, 3 sevens).
The pot is big and you want that CO and Btn fold.

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You only have 8 outs. The 3 sevens aren't outs. I don't know if this changes your advice. I'm inclined to think it doesn't, but just in case....

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Yes, sorry [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]... But I bet the turn