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Old 10-01-2007, 01:57 PM
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Default Weird Bluff 25/50

UTG raiser is a bad lag. Flop bettor is samh, a relatively tight, relatively straightforward but still very good regular.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $25/$50 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $5,347.00
BB: $5,000.00
UTG: $5,097.00
Hero (UTG+1): $5,222.00
MP1: $3,326.00
MP2: $20,758.70
MP3: $500.00
CO: $12,785.95
BTN: $3,213.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $200.00</font>, Hero calls $200.00, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $200.00, 5 folds

Flop: ($675) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">MP2 bets $400.00</font>, UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1,400.00</font>, MP2 folds

Pot Size: $2,475.00 ($3 Rake)
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Old 10-01-2007, 02:25 PM
LAgambol LAgambol is offline
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Default Re: Weird Bluff 25/50

i would flat call with the QQs less than 50% of the time, especially considering how bad the UTG raiser is. i would re raise larger on the flop, i like the check raise line with this board on the turn.
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Old 10-01-2007, 03:29 PM
DJ Sensei DJ Sensei is offline
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Default Re: Weird Bluff 25/50

I think you're ahead here a ton, so unless he's folding lots of better hands to a c/r (unlikely?), or you're particularly concerned with giving him a free turn (why?), c/c might work just as well. of course you're going to face tough spots after doing that, but if you're confident that you can read sam's responses, then go for it.
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Old 10-01-2007, 03:38 PM
Stinger88 Stinger88 is offline
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Default Re: Weird Bluff 25/50

I kinda like it, I think he can def fold some aces here, especially w/o a spade
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Old 10-01-2007, 03:47 PM
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Default Re: Weird Bluff 25/50

i do not like this, i do not know what you are representing
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Old 10-01-2007, 04:18 PM
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Default Re: Weird Bluff 25/50

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I think you're ahead here a ton, so unless he's folding lots of better hands to a c/r (unlikely?), or you're particularly concerned with giving him a free turn (why?), c/c might work just as well. of course you're going to face tough spots after doing that, but if you're confident that you can read sam's responses, then go for it.

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I tend to agree with this. In any case, your spot after c/c'ing the turn is no less worse than your spot when he calls your small CR.
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Old 10-01-2007, 04:20 PM
KRANTZ KRANTZ is offline
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I kinda like it, I think he can def fold some aces here, especially w/o a spade

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yah it's samh!
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Old 10-01-2007, 06:44 PM
ZeeJustin ZeeJustin is offline
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Default Re: Weird Bluff 25/50

I like it, but I don't like calling it a bluff. You are much &gt; 50% vs his range IMO.
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Old 10-01-2007, 06:53 PM
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I like it, but I don't like calling it a bluff. You are much &gt; 50% vs his range IMO.

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its certainly not a valuebet, he's never calling with JJ. what is it?
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Old 10-01-2007, 07:02 PM
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Default Re: Weird Bluff 25/50

Its a valuebet because you are ahead &gt;50%. Just because you may have a negative expectation if the hand continues, does not affect the reason behind the bet on that street at that time. The value lies in the pot won with this bet.
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