20/180 PS - AA first hand

jus_nutz · #1 09-05-2006, 02:02 PM

first hand and i limp aa under the gun ... everything ok like this or would u play differently?? didnt expect this many callers ... so how to do after flop?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)
Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero calls t20, UTG+1 raises to t40, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t40, CO calls t40, Button calls t40, SB calls t30, BB calls t20, Hero raises to t200, UTG+1 calls t160, MP3 calls t160, CO folds, Button calls t160, SB calls t160, BB calls t160

Flop: (t1260) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets t200, Hero raises to t1300 (All-in), UTG+1 folds, MP3 folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls t1100 (All-in)

Turn: (t3860) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t3860) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

mornelth · #2 09-05-2006, 02:04 PM

ummm, bad beat?...

Jeff76 · #3 09-05-2006, 02:08 PM

lol- how did I know this was going to be a "I limped with aces" post? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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didnt expect this many callers ... so how to do after flop?

[/ QUOTE ]Your PF raise was way to small given the action. You have telegraphed your hand here so now you've got to get heads up, and betting the pot isn't going to do it. Your first raiser is probably going to call, since he likes his hand, and then everyone behind is doing to get tremendous odds to call. You do not want a big, multiway pot here. You need to send a message with your raise that you are going to play for stacks and anyone who calls better be ready to gamble. I am probably raising to around 300 here.

Oh, and given the action I'm pushing this flop.

jus_nutz · #4 09-05-2006, 02:14 PM

u think that 100 makes makes more plrs lay down that call 200??? i dont - no difference, if then all in is my 2nd choice i am happy with pf play .. what u think postflop?

TheFresh1 · #5 09-05-2006, 02:14 PM

You have to raise and protect your hand...The only reason to slowplay aces is if you already have seen pots tightly contested preflop with aggressive raisers and reraisers. With no information that leads you to believe this, you must, must raise...Not doing so is a huge mistake

Jeff76 · #6 09-05-2006, 02:23 PM

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u think that 100 makes makes more plrs lay down that call 200???

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, I do. Though really, I'd probably go even higher- maybe 400. But you really don't want to give players a shot at a pot with 600 for only 160, then 800 for 160, etc.

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what u think postflop?

[/ QUOTE ]I'd play it the same postflop, but I wouldn't like it against so many.

Imrahil · #7 09-05-2006, 02:27 PM

I'd probably just push PF after your limp. These guys can't get away from hands.

Jeff76 · #8 09-05-2006, 02:27 PM

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You have to raise and protect your hand...The only reason to slowplay aces is if you already have seen pots tightly contested preflop with aggressive raisers and reraisers. With no information that leads you to believe this, you must, must raise...Not doing so is a huge mistake

[/ QUOTE ]This is not true. It might be a mistake first hand without reads, but if so it is certainly not a "huge" one. You do have to know how to get away from them if you don't get any raisers and the flop goes bad. But I think it's a mistake to say you always have to play a hand one single way.

mornelth · #9 09-05-2006, 02:29 PM

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u think that 100 makes makes more plrs lay down that call 200??? i dont - no difference, if then all in is my 2nd choice i am happy with pf play .. what u think postflop?

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It's not about 100 chips - it's about cutting down their implied pot odds.

pat1999 · #10 09-05-2006, 02:31 PM

with 5 callers between you and the re-raiser i think your raise of 160 is way too small. thats not even the size of the pot. i think you have to atleast bet the pot here. i think something like 350 or 400 would be best.